Drag and replace clips in timeline doesn't maintain speed adjustments

[Stephen Barrante]

The problem we are running into happens when you take a graded copy of the original source clips and drag them from the Bin to the timeline to replace the existing clip, the existing speed is not maintained. If the clip is at 100% speed this works fine. If it's been adjusted to anything else, it doesn't properly apply the existing speed change and therefore messes up the in/out point of the clip.

The workflow that this affects is that we color grade our footage outside of Premiere. Duplicate our sequence to be our "fine cut" and then go across the timeline to each piece of footage and replace with the associated graded version of that clip. The drag and drop method has you hold down Shift+Opt while dragging over the existing footage in the timeline. 

The only solution is to:

1. temporarily drag the existing clip into the track above
2. change speed to 100%
3. drag / replace from the bin with new clip
4. change the speed back to previous (ex. 150%)
5. drag clip back down into video track

Apart from being a waste of time to do those steps, occasionally it has been not clear that a clip has had a speed change performed – especially if you have a lot of dense edits together, and if you aren't zoomed in close enough on the timeline you don't see the (%) change listed on the clip name. And a couple of times a few have slipped through the tracks and we haven't caught it. 

Please look into addressing this issue, where dragging an identical clip of size/length over the existing clip inherits and of the changes made to. It already does this for the transform properties. Please adjust for speed as well.

Thank you!

Stephen

[Ann Bens]

Just OPT not shift+opt.

Have you tried to Replace with clip form source monitor with frame match.

[R Neil Haugen]

For what you're doing, first try Ann's option.

Second ... if you selected the clips in the bin, Offline, then relinked to the graded clips, I think that would also work. On batches of clips at a time. As it wouldn't be changing the sequence data. I ... think that would work.

Easy enough to test. And for this process, that would have been my first thing to test. One by one replacement sounds time-consuming.

[MyerPj]

That sounds like a really bad workflow! 🙂

It seems to be working for me. (v24.1 Win11 22H2)

I took a clip and applied time-remapping.

I took that clip from Explorer and dropped it into ShutterEncoder and made a ProRes proxy file

Imported that file and Alt-Dropped that file onto the original, and it seems to have worked.

(BTW: The screen shot below is w/out the Alt key, as my snagit, doesn't work with it pressed - but I did hold it as I dropped it)

[Stephen Barrante]

It is a super time consuming process, however for multiple reasons I wouldn't want to relink the source. First it would mean having duplicates of my files with the same file names so I can relink everything in one shot, but from a different folder. That feels like a recipe for disaster down the road incase for some reason the source gets accidently deleted. 

The reason for doing a replacement in the timeline / in context, is so when the client innevitably comes back with changes, it's easy to go back and reference the original clip, if needed. I save a copy of the sequence just before doing this incase anything goes wrong and and I can revert back to the original or pull a clip over and perform the replacement again.

Option drag doesn't maintain the in / out point. You have to hold down SHIFT in order for it to inherit the in / out points. Option replace works in AE. It's a typical Adobe issue where two teams don't talk to eachother to make the same functionality more universal. Also it's important to note that my bigger issue is that if you Speed Change the clip, this method breaks. That's my real problem. 

I'll take a look at the "replace clip from source" option and see if that would work. 

Thanks for the notes.

[Warren Heaton]

@Stephen Barrante 

Which version of Premiere Pro are you in?  What is the file format of the source?

I just tried option drag and drop to replace a Clip in the Timeline and the Clip Attributes, including Time Remapping, remain as expected.

This is Premiere Pro 24.1.0 under macOS Ventura 13.6.3.  The source clips are 5 second QuickTime movies running at 29.97 frames per second that use Apple ProRes 422 compression.  The speed change is from 100% to 50% then back to 100% using two keyframes.

If you're not able to figure out why you are not getting the same results, I'd switch to using Paste Attributes to match the Time Remapping on the replacement clip as you go through your Timeline.

[Stephen Barrante]

Running 24.6.1 and the problem still persists. For those who were interested the source footage varies, and doesn't have any bearing on our results, so far as we can tell. It will fail via Pro Res footage replace Mp4 clips, amongst others (Sony, Canon, RED).

I still have to temporarily change the speed of the clip back to 100% before replacing the clip in the timeline (NOTE: that is by using "Clip Speed / Duration" not "Time Remapping"), Option-Shift Drag onto the existing clip (that is the correct key combo for Premiere, it's unfortunately different than AE), then I can change the speed back to the what it was in the edit. The expected result is that it should inherit any attributes applied to the clip in the timeline, it partially does this by maintaining the speed at 200% (in this instance), but offsets the IN/OUT points, by the number of frames it would have been at 100%. Total mess.

I appreicate the suggestions, there isn't an issue with our workflow, there's is just simply a bug in the application. This method works perfectly fine in After Effects every time. And that is with footage that has been re-interpreted to a different frame rate, and then stretched in the composition timeline. 

[MyerPj]

I'm still getting it to work in both 24.6.1 and beta 25.1.0 b10. I'm using alt-drag, alt-shift-drag doesn't respect an in-point I select in either the project icon view or in the source monitor.

Did you try it with a new project, drop in 4 clips, setup the 3 with the middle clip having the speed/duration change (to 200%), then set a inpoint as above, and alt-drag (option-drag) it in?

[Mike-Berry]

Hi Stephen -

I can confirm that this is a bug with replacing a clip with both a speed change and a trim. I have a fix locally which should make it into a beta next week.

Mike

[Kevin-Monahan]

Updating the status of this bug report.