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My first go around with AVCHD which I know nothing about except that after buying a nice new Sony video camera I have as a result on my first try-out, a single file called AVCHD even though I took several separate clips. When I click on that file on my computer, it opens up and shows thumbnails of each of the separate clips. When I click on one of the clips it opens in QuickTime and from there I can export the file to save it as a separate clip on my computer.
Is there an easier way to batch save the separate clips or do I need to go through this process of opening each one separately in QuickTime and exporting it in order to save it?
Any information on how I should approach working with this AVCHD format would also be greatly appreciated.
TIA,
Ken
OK.
Mac OS recently mucked this up. It no longer sees them properly as a bunch of folders as files (as any good file manager should), rather it seems them as a QuickTime package. You have to 'open the package' as it were to get at the files inside.
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( how did they respond?)
You know they didn't.
The point of that comment is to show first, my own frustration, but more importantly to engender resignation of the OPs intended course and acceptance of the way things work. (Which it seems you agree with.)
...and no one else seems to have issue with how it works..
Clearly the OP did, wanting to do things we normally did with tape based media, but can't do with tapeless due to it's poor design.
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Moving to a tapeless workflow required a paradigm shift ...and I had no issue doing so.
I and my colleagues in other facilties we work with ...do not have a single issue with it .
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I and my colleagues in other facilties we work with ...do not have a single issue with it .
That's great for you guys. Not everyone agrees. Take Aaron in the following thread.
http://forums.adobe.com/message/5086143?tstart=0#5086143
How easy it would be for him and others with a similar work flow if all data were contained in a single clip with a unique name.
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You guys, you can't be serious. Why should I triple the amount of work I have to do under near impossible conditions?
What does this even mean?
Its you thats trying to do things in an odd and in efficient way based on editing workflow ignorance or inexperience.
Forget about double clicking and opening individual files!
Forget about renaming files. Use the Data fields
Simply
Go thru your "rushes" in the Source Monitor or the mini monitor in the bin
Enter and log info in the data column. eg Description..if you wish..
Create a Select Takess Bin and drag the stuff you want in there ..if you wish.
Get organised in the NLE ( Premiere) Thats how editors and their assistants work.
Where Am I missing the fun part?
Ken
You have not understood any part of this or any advice it seems.
You are totally over thinking it and not understood the digital workflow or how an NLE works.
You are finding issues before you have done tutorials (homework) or worked out why the rest of us do not have the same issues.
Not sure you were ready for the digital world when you got a new camera!
Do some basic tutorials.
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Forget about renaming files. Use the Data fields
Simply Go thru your "rushes" in the Source Monitor or the mini monitor in the bin
Enter and log info in the data column. eg Description..if you wish..
Create a Select Takess Bin and drag the stuff you want in there ..if you wish.
Get organised in the NLE ( Premiere) Thats how editors and their assistants work.
Okay, I need to find out where I can enter into Data fields, Where are the Data fields exactly?
"Enter and log info in the data column" Sounds promising, but where is the data column? If you can tell me it would be a great help. If you want to post the link to a video tutorial on this that would be fine also.
What are "Rushes"?
"Create a Select Takess Bin" Now we're getting somewhere, but is the word Takess misspelled for something else or...?
I'm going to stay with it shoternz, because I know you are right, but I'm missing basic information and need your help on this.
Please spell out each of the above things you have eluded to so I can discover what they are. They all sound good, but I need to be shown where I get to these things so I can get to work.
Thank You,
Ken
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Ken
Original Source Files go into a "Bin" in your Premiere Project Window.
Create and Name the Bin whatever you want. ( A bin is simply a folder with a fancy name that relates to film editing.)
I call Bins - Rushes Day one or Card one or anything that ids the footage conveniently. Rushes is a word that also comes from the days of "film" ( like me)
Once in the bin...all the clips can be viewed in the mini monitor. Select Clip> Space Bar
THey can also be dragged to the Source Monitor and played ( Space Bar or scrub)
Besides every clip in the Bin is a number of columns for the editor to enter info they may wish to sort on or search on.
Create and name other bins as you wish but an obvous one is "Selected Takes" - takes is a word from the days of film ( like me and every pro editor in the world)
Drag whatever clips you want into what ever bins you want to use.
THese bins are only relevant in Premiere. ( Non destructive and not affecting your source files on your hard drives)
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shooternz wrote:
Ken
Original Source Files go into a "Bin" in your Premiere Project Window.
Create and Name the Bin whatever you want. ( A bin is simply a folder with a fancy name that relates to film editing.)
I call Bins - Rushes Day one or Card one or anything that ids the footage conveniently. Rushes is a word that also comes from the days of "film" ( like me)
Once in the bin...all the clips can be viewed in the mini monitor. Select Clip> Space Bar
THey can also be dragged to the Source Monitor and played ( Space Bar or scrub)
Besides every clip in the Bin is a number of columns for the editor to enter info they may wish to sort on or search on.
Create and name other bins as you wish but an obvous one is "Selected Takes" - takes is a word from the days of film ( like me and every pro editor in the world)
Drag whatever clips you want into what ever bins you want to use.
THese bins are only relevant in Premiere. ( Non destructive and not affecting your source files on your hard drives)
This, plus other comments you have made here shooteernz, are really putting some foundation to working within Premiere for me. Also, about film, we still use the terem 'footage' and others that no longer apply to the physical world of film, and we still use the word 'film' but there is no film involved nor celluloid and light-sensitive silver coating, but we should not forget where this industry came from and how it started. I appreciate you bringing your expeirence from that world into the present situation we now find ourselves in. That being said, what you have given me will definitely keep me off the streets, for a while at least, and I'm now gone into the world of creating bins and:
I can see now why an additional monitor might be in the works for me. Screen real estate becomes an issue with so much going on.
I feel I am at the point now where the boat is pulling away from the harbor, so to speak, and I'm actually navigating files and see what the flow is like in Premiere. A very nice working environment.
Thanks Again To All,
Ken
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Also try a different workspace (or create one of your own). The metalogging workspace works well for initial previewing of footage and data entry.
Jeff
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Jeff Bellune wrote:
Also try a different workspace (or create one of your own). The metalogging workspace works well for initial previewing of footage and data entry.
Jeff
I hate to be such a know-nothing but I need clarification on some points here because I want to understand and not let these valuable comments go by without me gaining some undeerstanding to help with editing.
How do you create a different workspace? what are the steps and thinking involved in choosing when to do this?
Please describe 'metalogging'
Thank You Jeff,
Ken
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Here is why these forums are the greatest help to anyone who is struggling with any area of software. There are always those who have covered the ground and are willing to share the experience to help someone else gain ground.
Video Training is great, but nothing gets down to the finer issues like these forums.
Thanks Again,
Ken
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I had to come back with one more comment, because, after all of your comments, I started to get the picture about using Premiere Pro to work with my files. Now I have purchased the Premeire Pro Classroom In A Book and highly recommend it for any beginner like myself. It goes into the Project Panel in depth over the first four chapters, calling it the 'heart' of the project. This book takes great care to not go 'sailing off' and leaving the beginner behind. The authors are highly qualified, but they demonstrate extreme patience and restraint in the way they've made sure to put everything on the table. A very well done book.
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Not sure that it has been mentioned here, but the Projrect panel is a lot easier to work with if you enlarge it temporarily.
Do this, without messing up your regular workspace by clicking inside the panel, then hit the apostrophe key - at least it is that key on a UK keyboard - and the Project panel will become full screen. Hit ' again to go back to normal.
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You don't even really need to click there. That ` key will full-screen whatever window is under the mouse, whether or not it's highlighted.
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The 'grave' symbol key (accent) is also shown to work with Shift-'grave' in the selected panel. It's nice to have choices so you can choose the one you like best. As a beginner I also liked that the CIAB book also showed examples of situations where you would gain benefit from going full screen in the different panels. The more you know, the more you like Premiere, is my experience.
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What if I don't want to import the clips to Premier, but just look at them in Quicktime?
It seems incredibly ridiculous that I can't view this AVCHD folder as a folder
and I know I've done it before, and taken the files out of the folder
the next thing that happens is, if I open the files in Quicktime, whether in the folder or out, they show a black screen.
Audio is fine, but there's no video
I know there's a workaround for this.
telling someone to just suck it up, doesn't really help
I'm going to find the workaround and post it here
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Wunderdog, did you find that "work around" yet? I don't understand why we have to import the entire card onto our computers, just to get to a clip we might want to use. Having the entire file eats up the space on my computer. And I am trying to work on a project where I will need to take clips from several different cards/files from this past year. That means I will have to import ALL of those files onto my computer at the same time? Imagine how many gigs that will swallow!
I have tried using external hard drives too, but had several crash in the past. Seems like there ought to be a better way to handle this, on a mac by now!
If anyone knows anything new about this PLEASE respond, because I am not looking forward to starting this project with this line of thinking I am using.
Thanks
ruez
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One of the pains of AVCHD use is the way it stores info about each clip in multiple folders. And constantly breaks a "shot" into a series of short clips that it lists in the accompanying database are really "one" shot. Which is, at heart, why AVCHD file use means copying the flippin' folders along to make sure the program can read and properly "connect" things.
A LOT of cameras create them, and some offer alternative codecs/wrappers that don't require copying databases and other info files also. My GH3 shoots in AVCHD ... but it's also a bit noisier than in H.264/mov. Many cameras have their highest bit-rates or such in AVCHD and you sorta need to use it ....
However, one either adapts to the need to copy everything, or uses say Prelude to import & transcode the clips to a different codec for keeping on the computer. I know of people that do that just to get what you want ... SOME of the minutes of several hours of AVCHD clips across many cards. This might work for you.
Neil
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Thanks for your reply Neil. I will certainly check into that before I start this project.
Val
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Hope I've been of assistance.
Neil
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I would argue that this is not the correct answer since it doesn't say in what app you can "open the package." I don't see that option in Quicktime.
My solution was to open the AVCHD file (folder) in Quicktime (maybe that's what you meant), click on one of the clips, then export it. I don't see any way to view the contents of the package.
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Congratulations man. You chose what I and the rest of the world call the Right way.
MTS files are Multiplexed Transport Streams. If you remove them from the AVCHD context folder structure, especially with some older AVCHD variants, you will destroy the linkage. For some reason, this makes audio output impossible from premiere. I had to export the two files separately then reattach on my output stage. This is a preposterous waste of resources.
Prelude will only view AVCHD from some cams if the camera is connected, forget a disk image. It won't work with older AVCHD. It gets blocks through the camera, which translates them to another sizing before moving the files (i mean data blocks). It's a bit like the old macrovision schema in that respect; a standard block size is filled with the data, but random areas are left clear when being blown up to a larger block size and a computer or Java device doesn't care, it only reads the good blocks, as the copy is still good.
Quicktime now doesn't care where a file comes from as long as the data has a format list (file header) that matches something it can play. Because quicktime sees AVCHD similar to Final Cut, as a footage file with markers for clip breaks, it will read the file just fine, catching the MTS data and properly reading the overlaps, as well as the clip points. MTS files usually don't break 4gb, due to the disk formats used in cameras, and the datachunk memory. However, smaller MTS files may actually be separated clips. Unfortunately it's not always the case. Depending on your camera, you may get 2 and 4gb data chunks, only 2, or only 4. I've seen it happen. Quicktime reads the data properly from the MTS linkage. You can output your clips from there, and them ingest into premiere compatibles. There is one downside. If your footage is interlaced, it will force a top field first conversion, dropping quality by a massive amount.
AVCHD formatting:
Multiplexed means they are combined audio and video, and they are similar in design to the old VOB datachunks of DVD's. The only real difference is that they hold a different compression size and overlap structure, along with a different clipping mark style. In VOB, you could have clips that are separate videos in the same chunk, and there was a marker there to show the break. In MTS, you simply don't add the overlap mark at the end of the file, close the file chunk right at the clip point, and start a new file.
To fix interlace problems:
Yes one more step to get the interlace back in order. No you cannot simply reencode it. It won't help. You'll get a bigger mess. I've tried it. The best method is the Field Splitter method. You put the video into two video tracks, right click the top, set to upper, right click the bottom and set to Lower in a LOWER FIELD FIRST timeline. For most 1080i, you're at 29.97 frames per second, so set that, but set interlaced lower field first. Output that video to something and it will look a little better.
The only real one step fix is a dedicated AVCHD transcoder. THey don't care about the camera blocks, they just grab MTS files and output to a single long file. You could use final cut, and send a transcode to compressor, with the correct settings. It is still the only way to grab these files correctly.
Where do I get all this?
Study the files, study the formats, study on the internet... And in libraries.
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Thought I'd chime in on this conversation as well. I'm a long time C100 shooter (AVCHD) and have been using ClipWrap and EditReady on Mac for years to losslessly rewrap my AVCHD files into .mov files before starting any project. I then use Automator (built in to Mac OS) to rename them all sequentially with appropriate project names, etc. This has made my life with AVCHD soooo much easier. In the beginning, I ran into way too many problems relinking to media when projects went back and forth between editors working remotely since all AVCHD files are names exactly the same (the beauty of AVCHD is that the files are small enough to upload over the web without having to transcode to proxy files, making working with other editors remotely very easy).
Another benefit- I can easily organize media into folders and delete junk clips before say, handing off raw footage to a client. Or if I need to pull a clip from an old project to be used in a new one, I don't have to copy the entire AVCHD folder. Instead, I can just copy over the single clip I need and save a ton of hard drive space.
Hope this helps others in this situation.
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You should have seperate clips. There should not be a file called AVCHD, only a folder on your media. Search AVCHD workflow to import and edit properly. Quicktime should be left out of the equation for Premiere.
Good Luck.
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Copy entire AVCHD file from your card to your local hard drive ( not C;)
Open Premiere Pro.
Go to the Media Browser Panel
Locate your Source footage on the local hard drive directory.
Click down to the individual source clips. Where varies a little depending on camera but eg. VideoStream
Import into Premiere. ( one way..Drag them to a Folder in the Project Window eg "Holiday Clips"
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