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Clip duration below a second

New Here ,
Jun 25, 2019 Jun 25, 2019

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How could i go about making clips with duration below 1 second.

I am working on a project involving photosensitive epilepsy, so i need to make footage with flashing of about 3-30 hertz, meaning that some of the clips would need to be 0.04 seconds since that's the speed of a frame in 24fps if i did the math right.

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Jun 25, 2019 Jun 25, 2019

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3 Hz is 3 cycles per second.

24 frames divided by 3 cycles is 8 frames. 24 frames divided by 30 cycles is 0.8 frames. 24 frames divided by 24 cycles is 1 frame.

Clips have durations of hours:minutes:seconds:frames.  You can't have a duration of a video clip of a fraction of a second.

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Jun 25, 2019 Jun 25, 2019

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But i could set a duration to for example 1 frame?
Thank you!

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Jun 25, 2019 Jun 25, 2019

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Expand your timeline and you can cut a clip to one frame.

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Mentor ,
Jun 25, 2019 Jun 25, 2019

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interesting question....hmmm...

I don't think you're actually trying to make CLIPS below one second... you are really trying to illustrate certain FRAMES within a clip as a visual stimulus ( photosensitive epilepsy … with the 'photosensitive' being the key word ).

Don't know particulars but in my mind there's two ways to go about it maybe...

To understand where I'm coming from check out this link ….and the pic below it is an example from that link....

https://photography.tutsplus.com/tutorials/how-to-use-flash-with-a-slow-shutter-to-create-motion-and...

FLASH AND MOTION.jpg

That's using a still camera with a fairly long shutter speed ( say 1/15th of sec ) with a FLASH going off during that exposure... The flash is about 1 1,000th of a second in length ( essentially duration of the light ).

Using flash and strobes on still cameras gets a little tricky. I have strobes for still work, but the ballast takes about 3 seconds to recharge, so it would be useless in a situation like you are looking for.

Sooooo, maybe solution number 1 for you to think about... shoot whatever you want for your clip(s) … do test this stuff out to see if it works first by exporting and looking at small sections of your timeline ( WAB narrow to export and look at small sections )….and painstakingly go to every 4th frame ( 6 in total per 24 fps ) and change it to make it APPEAR like what you see above.

Save time... go to first frame of clip, make selection, sharpen and lighten subject of your choice, invert, add blur and maybe motion blur, whatever... save.

Now select that clip and copy attributes ….select the other frames ( 4,8,12,16,24) and 'copy attributes'....This would get tricky with a mask and movement of your subject in mask, but you'll get the idea... you are just FAKING a strobe.

solution number 2, is the obvious... get a strobe like they use at nightclubs and balance your lighting and put diffusion or ND stuff on strobe to get exposure you want...

Those things strobe about a zillion times a second...

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Mentor ,
Jun 25, 2019 Jun 25, 2019

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this is such a cool subject... on one hand it could be a film maker trying to show normal people what someone with photosensitive epilepsy 'see' that triggers the fit ( neurons go bonkers ? ).

On the other, it might be someone trying to replicate a real stimulus that MAKES someone with epilepsy have fit.

The idea of one frame ( of a clip ) gets into animation a little bit... like how long is the latency of the image in the eye... and how many 'frames' does it take to show the different animation 'gels' ( layers) to imitate real life vision and movement.

I think I remember it's around 3-4 frames per layer .. or 'per motion change' etc.. if you know what I mean.

1 frame of different clips would ( in my mind ) just register as a total blur and I don't know nothin about epilepsy but I don't think a continuous blur would trigger a fit.

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Jun 25, 2019 Jun 25, 2019

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It is it mostly "replicate a real stimulus" i need it so i can train a program to detect if a video could contain a trigger.
But it has been difficult for me to make frashing faster then 1 second so far.

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Jun 25, 2019 Jun 25, 2019

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It is it mostly "replicate a real stimulus" i need it so i can train a program to detect if a video could contain a trigger.

But it has been difficult for me to make frashing faster then 1 second so far.

Video is indeed a trigger for many people with epilepsy and is an ongoing problem. Many producers of live shows like to use short clips and fast cuts, use flashing stage lights, strobe lights, etc. Many action movies use the same/similar approach, short clips, flashing frames, fast cuts, etc, etc. Some documentary editors has an odd fetish for flash frames, glitches, glitch transitions, etc, etc. Some music videos as well. The younger the editior is the more flashes and glitches can be seen. None of those flashes, flash frames and glitches add anything to the documentary though...

It´s not the video per se that is the trigger, the seizures are triggered by the light in the video. So fast cuts and flash frames with only dark grey muddy video won´t trigger so much. Using light is the key. The more light in the images, the more likely is it to trigger a seizure. Think strobe lights.

What you need to do is to zoom into the timeline as per the image below. By doing that you can cut the video at frame level more easily and insert 24 *different* frames per second if you use a 24 fps timeline. That should be sufficient enough.

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LEGEND ,
Jun 25, 2019 Jun 25, 2019

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I'm not clear on the math yet of what duration you are needing the flashes to be, but just keep in mind that if you use a sequence at 29.97 or 59.94fps (video) or 30 or 60fps (computer playback) then you can achieve greater "precision" meaning each frame of video is shorter in duration, so perhaps allowing you to get closer to the flash rate you need versus 24fps with frames of longer duration.

Thanks

Jeff

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File > New > Black Video

Put the black video clip on V1 track on timeline and adjust to one second duration

File > New > Color Matte

Create a still image in choice of bright color. Drop that onto V2 track right above the black clip. Trim to desired duration (one frame?) and place as desired as many times as needed for one second (depending on desired rate of flash). Note that the + key is used to zoom in on timeline to see frames, - (minus) to pull back.

One you have created the one-second clip with flashes the way you want them, click and drag the mouse to select/highlight all the frames/clips and then do Ctrl-C to Copy, then Ctrl-V to Paste. HOLD DOWN the Ctrl-V and it will continue pasting rapid-fire to fill a longer duration.

As mentioned in other post, maybe you need to work in a 60p sequence to get desired flash duration with more precision? Historically, we had NTSC television (before HD) and that was always interlaced, so while there were 29.97 FRAMES per second, it also had 59.94 FIELDS per second, meaning the screen was redrawn 59.94 times every second, so if old TVs were triggering seizures then maybe the 59.94p video (60p) will get you closer to where you need to be than 24p?

Thanks

Jeff

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Mentor ,
Jun 25, 2019 Jun 25, 2019

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did you mean frashing or flashing ?

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Jun 25, 2019 Jun 25, 2019

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ops flashing yes

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Jun 25, 2019 Jun 25, 2019

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your project is a very cool and worthwhile one... and thank you for working on it

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