Deleting markers also deletes clips

[Michael384395806ww5]

When I want to delete markers in my project, it also deletes the footage in the sequence with them when there is an in-and-out selection in the sequence.
It only deletes the footage, not the other clips. So I need to put the in-and-out section at the end of the sequence to now delete my clips. Took me quite a bit until i figured that out. 

[Ann Bens]

How exactly are you deleting the sequence marker

[Michael384395806ww5]

I am using the delete button on my keyboard. I did it in the markers window by selecting single markers. 
But I think I also tried it by just selecting the marker and then press delete. 

The method worked after setting the new in-and-out points at the end.
So it definetly wasn't some accidental selection of the clips. 

[Stan Jones]

@Michael384395806ww5,

That is odd. I see what you mean using the Delete key, except it did not work with in/out set at the end either. Using delete does remove the marker, but also removes the in/out section. Using undo (and in history) it undoes the in/out delete, then the marker deletion.

In any event, the shortcut for delete marker is Ctl+Alt+M (and delete all markers Ctl+Alt+Shft+M). Except it is not working for me in PR 25.3.0. I assigned Ctrl+P to delete selected marker, and it does work.

It worked in the timeline or from the marker panel, and for sequence and clip markers.

I'm on Win11.

Stan

[Ann Bens · Accepted solution]

Wel yes if you have an and outpoint on the timeline, and you hit Delete then the footage and not the markers will disappear.

Try using the Marker panel: double-click on a marker in the timeline

or use these shortcuts:

[Michael384395806ww5]

If this is intended behavior, then it doesn't make any sense. For instance, why does it only delete the video footage and not the images, motion graphics, music, etc.?

How should I know as user that deleting a marker - which it does - also deletes all all the video material under the condition that the videos under the condition that there are in and out points set? How would I as user get that these are connected?

The whole thing brought me in a lot of trouble because I didn't see that it deleted the clips initially. I only found out later after I worked a lot on other sequences.  

[Ann Bens]

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@Michael384395806ww5 wrote:

, why does it only delete the video footage and not the images, motion graphics, music, etc.?

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This behavior is also depended on track targeting.

In short, Delete does not remove markers.

[Michael384395806ww5]

"In short, Delete does not remove markers."

Sorry, I don't get your comment. It absolutely does. You can click it and hit delete: gone.
You can select it in the marker window and press delete: gone.
You can also press Ctrl + A and select all markers in the marker window and press delete: gone.

That's what I expect as a user. What I do not expect though, is that it deletes something else based on seemingly arbitrary criteria.

[ScottSimmons]

Right now, I am clicking on a Marker in the timeline and hitting delete. It does not delete the marker. It has never deleted the marker. 

[Michael384395806ww5]

You are right. It doesn't seem to do it when I select the marker in the timeline. Perhaps my brain is hallucinating.
But it definitely works when I select the markers in the marker window.

What I have to add one thing: I have frame.io installed. This seems to change the behavior of the markers. When I click them, they actually look selected. This doesn't seem to be the case in sequences without frame.io markers imported. But this is exactly what I would expect as a user. I want to select a marker, see it visually selected (which doesn't seem to be the case without additional frame.io markers imported), and then delete it by pressing delete on the keyboard.

[Stan Jones]

@Michael384395806ww5,

> I have frame.io installed. This seems to change the behavior of the markers. When I click them, they actually look selected.

I don't think frame.io is affecting this, but I'll keep an eye out. I think that what you are seeing is that frame.io sets their marker colors to white. When you select one, it really lights up. The default marker (for me at least) is a dull green, and it brightens only a little when selected (as Ann noted).

I do not see any difference in how the frame.io markers work in terms of the issues in this thread. If you have in/out set in the timeline and use the Delete key to delete a frame.io marker, it deletes the frame.io marker AND the in/out. But be careful deleting those markers: it deletes the PR timeline marker, but not the actual frame.io comment. I have not looked at what happens if you close and reopen the project, etc.

I tested this in Beta 25.6.0 build 17, and the Delete key works as you expect in the Markers panel: it deletes only the marker and not the in/out. I don't know what that means for the next release version.

@Patrick Southern FYI. I submitted some other comments via the Beta comments button. They'll show up there as Stanley Jones.

Stan

[Patrick Southern]

Hey @Stan Jones, thanks for letting me know. I'm searching for your feedback now. Did you use the Premiere feedback form, or the Frame.io panel specific feedback form? They route two different places, and I want to make sure I look in the right place.

[Stan Jones]

I sent it via the frame.io method.

Stan

[Stan Jones]

@Michael384395806ww5,

In responding earlier, I referred to what you were doing (e.g., in the marker panel), which led to confusion regarding what is working as expected and what is not. I am testing in PR 25.3.0 on Win 11.

The bottom line is that, counter to my expectations and yours, in the Markers Panel, using the delete key deletes a selected Marker AND deletes the in/out section of the timeline based on track targeting.

A few comments, mostly to agree with all the other conclusions.

There are shortcuts for Clear Selected Marker (Ctrl+Alt+M) and Clear Markers (Ctrl+Alt+Shft+M). I believe the Delete key is NOT intended for deleting markers, even though it works for this in the Markers panel. I noted before that these shortcuts are NOT working for me. I also assigned Ctrl+P to "delete selected marker." This shortcut works in the timeline for sequence markers, in the Source Monitor for clip markers, and for both from the Markers Panel.

Regarding in/out only and ignoring markers, in the timeline, with in/out set, track targeting determines what tracks are deleted by the Delete key. This includes A/V tracks and caption segments in a caption track. The deletion is on the in/out points (caption segments are trimmed).

Sequence markers light up if selected by clicking on them or by navigating using shortcuts (e.g. Ctrl+M or Ctrl+Shft+M). Clip markers cannot be selected in the timeline. Markers in the timeline are NOT affected by the Delete key.

Double-clicking a sequence marker in the timeline opens the Marker dialogue box. You can delete a marker by clicking the Delete button there; no shortcuts work there for deletion.

In the Markers Panel, you can select a marker by clicking on one. If you click on the icon on the left and hit delete, it deletes the marker. If in/out is set, it ALSO deletes the in/out according to track targeting. If, instead of clicking on the icon, you click in the name, time in, time out, or description fields, the delete key, of course, deletes that content, and has no effect on the marker itself or on the timeline. You are essentially in text-editing mode. 

There is a setting in the Marker Panel for "Ignore selection in timeline." I do not know what it does. The setting for "Show In Out" just puts a brighter line before and after the in/out points.

For me today, something is not working right for transcript markers, so I did not test them.

Your comment about Frame.io is interesting. I'll test that separately.

Stan

[Michael384395806ww5]

"Sequence markers light up if selected by clicking on them"
I tried that in a new sequence in a new project and it does not light up on my side. However, it does light up in the project where I use frame.io comments.

"There are shortcuts for Clear Selected Marker (Ctrl+Alt+M) and Clear Markers (Ctrl+Alt+Shft+M)."
I can only add my the expectation as a user here. I expect that this action is called "delete" and not "clear" which I think is ambigous (especially for non-native speakers who like to use Premiere Pro in englisch). I also expect that the delete key on a keyboard deletes the selected marker and Ctrl+A selects all markers (after selected one maker in the timeline). That's the established behavior of user interfaces.

[Ann Bens]

The lighting up is very subtle

This behavior has been in Premiere for many, many versions.

In the original marker panel it is called Delete.

If you don't like it make a feature request.