Essential Graphics and Paragraphs

[LorenzoBanfi-moWb0k]

I'm creating .mogrt templates in AE to let my colleagues use them in Premiere.
In After Effects, I drag source text to the Essential Graphics panel - and this creates a control for it.

If I want to type multiple lines in AE, that works perfectly hitting return, and I can also edit font, font style, size, and so on.
If I go to Premiere I completely lose this kind of control.
I don't understand why: I'm just accepting it, even though that kind of control would really be powerful.
What really puzzles me, though, is that if I copy text from literally every text window I can type in, and then paste in Premiere, it is possible for me to have multiple lines of text in the source text control.
However, the text in the source text window in Premiere gets formatted quite crazily, with lines separated by spaces and all the words from that line collapsed toghether.

Some screenshots:

This is the AE Source Text control, allowing me to type as many lines as I like

And this is the same control with the same text copypasted in Premiere:

If I click on the source text box, it looks clear that all the words are still there, formatted weirdly:

The weirdest thing is both render the same way -perfectly- in AE and in Premiere.

Is that a bug, or I can achieve multiple lines this way without copypasting from external text windows/editors?

[stefan_gru]

jstrawn​ Is the OP doing anything wrong or is it a Premiere Pro bug?

[LorenzoBanfi-moWb0k]

FYI:
iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, Late 2015)
Mac OSX Sierra 10.12
Adobe CC 2017
After Effects 14.2.1.34 and Premiere 11.1.2 (22)

[RHSeditor]

Same for me. Hitting "enter" using the new Essential graphics just pulls me out of editing the text. Hitting shift enter and ctrl enter (on Windows) does the exact same thing.

Unlike the OP, however, I am NOT just accepting it. This lack (or perhaps just burying) of a most basic function of any text editor in the history of computers (starting a new line!) is downright infuriating.

The entire release of this bass-ackwards essential graphics "feature" has been a nightmare. It's a complete reinvention of how titles are done in Premiere, but it takes away functionality, doesn't add any meaningful improvements to the graphics workflow being done before, and worse - it was dropped on us with zero warning, zero training resources available, and from what I've seen from engineers posting on this forum, zero concern for customer satisfaction.

For other users having the same problem: a workaround is to just open a notepad, type the text there with the multiple lines, then paste it into Premiere; it will read the carriage returns correctly.

[premieregal]

Hi Lorenzo - I can understand your frustration with not being able to update font from a .MOGRT (Designed in After Effects) in Premiere Pro. As for creating separate editable lines, I found it best to create a separate layer for each source text you want to be able to edit in Premiere Pro.

Also, I found a hack on how to include the scale and position for the text in .MOGRTS when making them in Adobe After Effects, see 4:35 here:

Here is my work around for changing the fonts of .MOGRTS (it involved re-opening the .mogrt in AE). Not that useful for people designing .MOGRTS, but useful to people who buy .Mogrts:

[LorenzoBanfi-moWb0k]

Thanks for your answer,  premieregal​.
I watched your video about editing .mogrt and it's cool for amateurs, but -sadly- not useful for me.
I would define myself a pretty advanced AE user, since I do important corporate work.
(ot: Your "hack" can be achieved with a simple Null Layer, simple Slider Controls, and very simple Whiplash Expressions).

As of now I am developing a titles .mogrt template for a very big corporation and it will -hopefully- be used worlwide by hundreds of people of all languages - many of them have little to no expertise in Ae.
The point of having .mogrt is allowing people without Ae on their machine to type titles with animations. I was aware of the .zip solution, but I find it pretty useless as long as it forces me (or my colleagues or agency workers) to go back to After Effects, and that's not what I want to achieve - many of them only need Premiere.
What I want to do is to have a simple tool to share with my colleagues and agencies for titling and having consistency on a global scale - and the point of essential graphics panel is that this tool should be usable without even having Ae installed on their machine, since it is not their job - plain and simple.
As of now I am going trough real pain and labor writing pretty complex conditional circuits with expressions, creating a damn lot of layers and switching them on/off using controls just to have the ability to type in Italics or Bold or Condensed, and you can imagine the pain if I want to combine the three above (but again, until Adobe does not provide a better solution, I think I can deal with that with some code ).

In the meanwhile, I already adopted your suggestion to insert multiple lines with a slider control.
You can understand the pain of programming such a tool since I have a slider control defining the number of lines and if/else conditions "watching" the lines number, and the line properties with sourceRectAtTime(), just to provide dynamic alignment, turning lines on and off, scaling the animations accordingly, etc.
Back on topic: as RHSeditor​ confirmed, the real weirdness is text styles do not work in Premiere and I need to achieve them with coding but to me it makes particularly no sense paragraphs are not (since actually they work, in some weird way).
To me it's not acceptable to share with my colleagues something requiring them to copypaste from an external text editor (which would make my work look "wrong", whereas it seems to me it's not my fault). It's expecially not acceptable if I know that would provide a solution reducing my labor in programming such a complex tool while I can figure out everything could be so simple!

I hope this point gets clarified. Even if shift+return or cmd+return could be a solution (and it is not) it would be weird to have such a behaviour.

I am not used to rant excessively, but I am starting to feel some of the points  RHSeditor​  is raging about.

jstrawn​ or Stefan Gruenwedel​ : could you please provide informations about the topic?
If it turns out it's a bug I can file a report, if it's intended, then I'd like to know more about that, since I'm probably misusing the tool.

Thanks everybody for the attention.

Lorenzo

[Carlos Ziade]

Hey I agree it's a great strenuous process but here's what I got :

Inside after effects when you drag your source text to the essential graphics, click on the source text as if you wanna add another and simply keep on hitting enter to reach the number of multiple lines you want and this will export the source text as multiple lines to premiere, aligned the way you choose your text alignment. so create 3 versions of your text one centered alignment, another right to left and left to right, then attach each of the 3 versions to a checkbox control and apply expressions to turn it on and off.

I hope this helps a bit as a workaround for now

Carlos

[inthenow07i35793614]

Has anyone found a fix for that ?