Export ProRes 422 as 10 bit without loss and no increase to file size

[bRollGO]

Hi,

How do I export ProRes .MOV 422 as 10 bit without loss and no increase to file size? I use Premiere Pro and start with ProRes .MOV 422 10 bit files using Creative Cloud on a PC; files are shot on a BMPCC 6k. Exported files must:

• Not increase in size
• Export as .mov
• Be 10 bit
• Have no loss

I used a pretty standard lossless method with quicktime ProRes uncompressed 4:2:2 10-Bit (YUV Uncompressed 10-Bit) that increased the the file size to 10 times the original file size. This will not work for stock video; too enormous. Also, I shoot flat and only do "basic color correction" (no color grading) and sometimes use warp stabilizer.

How is export from Premiere Pro on a PC done while giving customers a file that can be fully editable in 10 bit?

Any ideas?

This is a pretty basic question and one that I have spent weeks researching. I have even seen people report that agencies (stock agencies) routinely dumb down ProRes 422 files to 8 bit as they are uploaded. If that's the case why do I even sweat it. Perhaps stock video buyers don't even care if they pay for and down load 8 bit vs 10 bit. I'd think they had rocks for brains if this was truly the case. So what is it?

Just a question for the universe, not the so called Meta-verse, why is it that there is no person to call,  place to post, support staff to chat with that can give a coherent answer? This is not a proprietary corporate or military defense secret. I would pay for consultation to get the tech support I need. Where are the entrepreneurs? I'd love to pay some greedy bugger.

Ideas?????

I really am sincere. I need your help. I am even willing to pay for tech help. Just need some solutions.

Thank you,

[Kevin-Monahan]

Hello bRollGO,

Thanks for the note.

How do I export ProRes .MOV 422 as 10 bit without loss and no increase to file size? I use Premiere Pro and start with ProRes .MOV 422 10 bit files using Creative Cloud on a PC; files are shot on a BMPCC 6k.

• To be clear, you are shooting 10-bit 6K ProRes files with your BMPC, right?
• There will be generational loss any time you export to another file. Not sure what your intent is; to hand off to Adobe Stock, for example? We can assume so.
  • ProRes claims "visually lossless" results with 10-bit or better codecs. All pro codecs should give you good results.
• Since your source is ProRes, you can chose ProRes for Adobe Stock delivery of high quality video. Other agencies may accept another codec like GoPro Cineform or DNxHR to deliver. You'd have to check.
• The file size for each codec may be more or less than the camera originals, and also depends on settings (and "qualities" or versions) for each. You'd need to perform some tests. I would stay with ProRes 10-bit at 4K.

<but> that increased the the file size to 10 times the original file size.

That seems wrong. I thought the files you got off your camera are the exact same spec, aren't they? Furthermore, are you scaling them from 6K down to 4K? 4K is all you need according to Adobe Stock Video Requirements. There are various ways to upload 10-bit video at a realistic file size. A view of your export settings and a readout of your camera original run through Media Info in "tree" view would assist those troubleshooting this issue.

Another thing you can try is to simply shoot in 4K, trim the camera originals in something like Edit Ready (which I am pretty sure can trim inside the .mov wrapper) and upload the results of the master without transcoding at all. Premiere Pro cannot really do that. You have a lot of options with that cool camera. I like that thing; wish I had one!

why is it that there is no person to call,  place to post, support staff to chat with that can give a coherent answer? This is not a proprietary corporate or military defense secret. I would pay for consultation to get the tech support I need.

You can always try our call and chat service which is free for Creative Cloud users and is available during business hours here on the west coast of the USA. Here is a link: https://helpx.adobe.com/contact.html Click the chat bubble in the lower right once you scroll down a little. Hot tip: Ask for the "Video Queue." You'll get our top support pros that way. Some of these guys are ex-post house guys like myself. Much respect. Give them a try if you are stuck. You can also send me a PM or engage the community on these forums. 

I hope the advice sparked some ideas for you. Please return with questions. If I don't respond in 72 hours, message me.

Thanks,
Kevin

[bRollGO · Accepted solution]

Found solution through Adobe Creative Cloud Chat Service:

Adobe Premiere Pro Export and Transcode 422 10 Bit Video Files Process on a PC (BMPCC .MOVs)

(After .MOV file edits without loss or significant file size change) Adobe Chat

2022_01_12

• Select and clip to size
• Apply Basic Color Correction (Save a Preset)
• Apply Warp Stabilizer, if needed
• Select In(I) to Out (O) or (I) and X
• Render Selection In to Out (Ctrl+I) and (Ctrl+X)
• Export Media (Ctrl+M)
• Select Format: HEVC (H.265)
• Select Preset: HEVC (H.265) with:
  • High Bit Rate (in Preset)
  • Target Bit Rate: “10”
  • Quality: Highest (Slowest) with VBR, 1 pass selected
• Select Output Name: (define temporary location –will be a .MP4 file
• Select Export button at bottom (Clip will be exported to location selected)
• Again, select Ctrl+M
• At the Export menu select the Queue button
• In the Media Browser panel on the right side, find the exported MP.4 clip and click twice
• The MP.4 clip will now be in the Queue panel, on the left side
• In the Queue panel, removed or change status to “Skip” for those not needed
• Change Format Dropdown to QuickTime
• Change Preset to Apple ProRes 422
• Select for transcode as “Ready” (if not already “Ready”)
• Change Name and define file to save to your designated locaion

 (repeat with all other files to transcode)

• Click on Green Arrow in top left of screen – all files will transcode as .MOV 10 bit and should be about the same size as original MOV 422 file.
• Queue and green arrow are on the right panel.

Note: Tested Twice on 21_01_14. Only Difference is file size a little larger for video and audio.

Let me know if this helps you.

Thank you Navdeep of Adobe Chat!

[Kevin-Monahan]

Navdeep rocks! Glad you were able to get the info you needed. Now, go tell the world that Adobe Support is awesome! 🙂

Cheers,
Kevin

[bRollGO]

They are awesome! 🙂 

[bRollGO]

Queue and green arrow are on the right panel.

<Mod note: I'll edit this into your well written instructions>

[Kevin-Monahan]

Hi bRollGO,

Using this cool formula, are you going to submit to Adobe Stock? If so, I think I might try that too. I encourage everyone to submit their stock footage. I paraphrase my colleague Dennis Radeke when I say, quanity and quality is important - so upload a little every day.

Thanks for your investigation and report.

Kevin