HDR export too bright

[bandar367]

i am trying to export a gaming video on 1440p with HDR for youtube

the problem is that the video either become too BRIGHT or in SDR

in the screenshots you'll find all the settings i use in obs and premiere pro 

i tried all the sulotions on the website. yet, i can't figure the problem

Screenshots :

[Kevin-Monahan]

Hey Bandar,

Thanks for the notes. I was looking at your screenshots and did not see anything unusual. Can you show us any screenshots of the actual issue in the Program Monitor? You say it is a screen capture in OBS, right? Let us know more. I hope the community can help. Sorry for the frustration.

Thanks,
Kevin

[bandar367]

The original video colors are perfect.

But after exporting the video it becomes too bright and when i try to export it on rec709 it becomes washed out 

[R Neil Haugen]

From previous communications, you have media which is in the HLG color space, and wanted to know how to deliver HDR video to YouTube. With the arrival of HDR media, video production got more complicated. Which can be very confusing, especially at first. But it still is, for most workflows, very easy to get set. As I've suggested, and their documentation on this discusses.

I've not heard if you have results from following the suggestions given you. Which should fix your issues if you want, as you originally asked, to deliver HLG HDR to YouTube.

As to working in SDR/Rec.709, that includes other complications at times.

If you are on a Mac and having issues with Rec.709 and QuickTime player, view the same clip in VLC and Potplayer. Seriously, please do! It will illustrate the problem quite clearly.

Because the Rec.709 playback issues on Mac computers is caused because Apple uses an incorrect display transform for Rec.709 video playback in their ColorSync utillity. Essentially gamma 1.96, rather than the correct by-the-standards requirement of gamma 2.4.

But VLC and PotPlayer do not allow ColorSync to set display for video playback, and they use the correct display transform of essentially gamma 2.4.

Apple's weird choice there has simply caused a mess that my many colorist buds, most of them Apple geeks by the way, are still furious about all these years later.

[bandar367]

Apologies for not responding 

I didn't have time to do the suggestions you gave me but i'll do it as soon as i get back home

I think i didn't explained my work clearly so let me clarify :

I am working on windows 11

Recorded a video with PQ2100

i want to export the video with hdr but it becomes too bright 

[R Neil Haugen]

What did you record with to have PQ? Is it a screen recording and if so, by what?

And with correct settings you can work that fije as PQ, HLG, or SDR/Rec.709. And from either HDR format export to tge other or SDR/Rec.709.

Again, it is all in the settings you choose.

[bandar367]

Sorry i didn't understand your question.

If you meant what app i am using, i use obs to record a video for elden ring with the same settings in screenshots above  

[kiley_5173]

Make sure you're recording in HDR (Rec. 2100 PQ or HLG) in OBS, and that you preserve this color space in Premiere Pro by setting the sequence and export settings to match (Rec. 2100 PQ, 10-bit depth). Also, ensure you're exporting in HEVC (H.265) with HDR metadata enabled. If the video appears too bright or ends up in SDR, it's likely because the color space or bit depth isn't consistent across your workflow. 

[bandar367]

I did all the things you mentioned, And the result too bright.

Does using VBR. 1Pass on 50 in bitrate coding affect the hdr ?

[R Neil Haugen]

Please give an updated set of screengrabs, showing:

1) media file properties from Premiere's Media Properties panel;

2) the entire Lumetri Settings panel, with every section twirled open, so we can see all the settings in use;

3) the program monitor in Premiere;

4) the export settings preset you used ... we need to see which preset you started with before changing anything in the preset settings;

5) the image in whatever view you have of it after export ... with information about your OS, your monitor options set in the OS, and your Monitor plus settings for color space.

Yea, doing HDR work can be tricksy. But give us all that and we can get you sorted.

[bandar367]

I'll be at home in 2 hours then i will send all the information you requested.

Can you explain what you mean by ( the program monitor in Premiere )

[R Neil Haugen]

The program monitor is the main timeline playback 'window' ... the Souce monitor shows the image of files from the project panel or bin.

[bandar367]

hi

sorry for responding late

here are screenshots of all the things you mentioned :

    

 

and here is a screenshot of the original video before importing it to premiere. this is how it should look after exporting it

[RjL190365]

I think I found the problem:

Your timeline is in HLG, not PQ. That breaks your PQ workflow from the start.

Unfortunately, there is no factory preset with a PQ timeline. The only default presets with HDR in their name all use HLG. The conversion from PQ to HLG during rendering and then back to PQ during exporting will ruin your HDR exports.

[bandar367]

I imported the video and modified it as PQ2100. And made sure that every color managment settings all on the same hdr level and also exporting settings

When did adobe convert it to hlg ?

[R Neil Haugen]

HLG is a more normal deliverables format. Which is why the presets are set for export.

I think PQ is more commonly expected to be a pass-through for high end work. Where the user is presumed to have specific needs and will manually set the export.

What tou want for YouTube videos is the HLG option. 

Try the HLG export preset.

[bandar367]

I will try that today and hope it works out

[bandar367]

after hours of working, i didn't get the best result, but i can say am satisfied with it.

i changed the override colors to HLG then adjust the colors manually. 

i exported the video with HLG preset and changed the settings i wanted.

i have uploaded the video on youtube yasterday and yet no HDR applied on the video.

i know youtube takes a while to process the HDR. but, by now it should be done

here are the video stats :

 

and here is the video link :

https://youtu.be/exL8zHy6_uk

[R Neil Haugen]

HDR can take some time getting used to what settings are needed. And that process can be quite confusing.

But a bigger problem is so few systems/devices/screens actually display any form of HDR correctly ... even if they say they handle one or two. As someone who works for/with/teaches pro colorists, this is a discussion I'm around a lot.

And it is very frustrating to them.  The same file displayed on five different devices that do HLG ... will look quite different on every one of them. Even DolbyVision will not be the same between TVs.

But there's nothing we can do about it. Which just sucks.

[R Neil Haugen]

First of course, all color management controls should be used from the Lumetri panel's Settings tab ... the tab named Settings. With everything from project to input to monitor to working space to sequence there, that's the main place for all CM stuff.

Next, after getting all the correct CM settings, and working on a sequence, you need to export using the sequence presets designed for the color space of the sequence.

So for an HLG HDR workflow, you need display color management, extended dynamic range (if on a Mac), auto detect log, and auto tonemapping on ... set the sequence CM to HLG, and make sure your OS and monitor are both set to their HDR settings.

Then you use an export preset with HLG in the preset name.

I would recommend leaving the 'graphics white' option at the native 203 nits setting, as that is the typical pro colorist's setting area for graphics white.

[bandar367]

The original video colors are perfect the problem is that after exporting the video  premiere ruins the colors

So i should never use PQ2100 ?

Because i imported the video with it, should i override it with HLG ?