How Can i import MKV in Premiere CS5.5

[Guest]

Hello

How Can i import MKV in Premiere CS5.5?

Please help me

thank you so much

[kankku56]

My first comment was based on  this opinion from Mr Millaard:

"SEVERE WARNING:  do not install something like K-Lite codec packs. That will generally require a complete reformat of your boot disk and a complete fresh install of OS and programs. A typical SNAFU (systems normal, all fouled up) situation."

There are two possibilities:

1. Mr Millaard really thinks that K-lite pack usually corrupts Windows so badly that it is necessary to totally format the boot disk and reinstall OS and all programs.

That statement is just not true.

a.  K-lite can't put Windows in a nonbootable status. It is just impossible. Some rootkit viruses can damage MBR so badly, that you had to fix MBR but even then there is in most cases no necessity to totally reinstall OS.

b. If you for some reason had to reinstall OS it's not necessary to format your boot disk. By formatting a disk you loose all your personal data and that can be a very big loss as we all very well know. You can very well install Windows in an existing partition and by doing so, save all your data.

2. Mr Millaard knows those facts and is still painting horror pictures of catastrophic consequences, following the installation of K-lite packs.

In the first case he really is no expert for Windows issues. In the second case he is intentionally misleading readers who have no knowledge of the facts. I have every reason to believe that Mr Millaard has enough knowledge about Windows. In that case there has to be some reason for his misleading statement.

If someone intentionally compromises some software (in this case K-lite packs), giving wrong information, he must to be prepared to meet even harsh criticism. I really have no idea of Mr Millaards motives, and maybe my critique was too rough, but there is a reason: If someone who doesn't know the facts, believing that nothing can be done, just formats hi's disk loosing all data, it's a pity.

It's fair to get money by selling great products like Adobe suite. It is not fair to blame others for problems in own products. Mr Millaard may or may not have own financial interest that affect his findings, but all the same: He repeats the same liturgy, that is much too often heard, by commercial program vendors: Don't use open-source software!

Dear mister Barzik!

I wasn't talking about OS backup nor any kind of system restore procedure. Making registry backup is a totally different matter. It takes only a few seconds or minutes to backup registry and replace corrupted registry with a copy. Making a copy of your OS takes a lot of time and disk space. Total system reinstallation is yet another procedure and takes even more time and effort. (In my case for example about a week because I have about 100 programs installed for testing purposes.)

The conflict's between Adobe's programs and K-lite pack's is a complicated problem. I can modify K-lite settings and even source code, because it's freely available. Adobe's programs are not open for changes and I have no way to obtain the source code. Nor can I easily find all the "hidden" information written to the registry by Adobe's programs. Beside that Adobe as well as many other software vendors uses installers those you can find in Windows folder. If those are corrupted or missing you can end up in a SNAFU situation mentioned by Mr Millaard. Often you can't uninstall nor reinstall a program. (Then the best and easiest solution may be to reinstall your OS, but not necessarily format your disk.)

The point is that commercial program vendors protect their knowledge for one very good and understandable reason: They make their living by making and selling programs. Adobe is the only actor who has the necessary information required to solve internal problems in their programs.

I agree Mr Simon's point: Often total reinstallation of OS is the simplest solution. Wiping out all data from a hard disk by formatting boot disk is very seldom necessary to install OS.

Never, ever have I detected a situation (in my own as well as other computers) where K-lite pack has caused a situation, where boot disk formatting is necessary!

If you are facing troubles with codecs or need help with K-lite I recommend visiting this side: http://www.codecguide.com/ . There are forums and experts who can assist you with any particular problem. Of course they have not the same knowledge of Adobe's products as Adobe's own personal, but they have no commercial interest to hide any information available for them!

[Guest]

1. Creating registry backup copy is still about creating OS back up point. It's different from creating boot disk image, but I never said you had been talking about creating boot disk image. Like no one here was talking about nonbootable OS because of K-Lite. The only issue here is you for some reason do not listen to.

2. If you are a really good developer and want to understand how PrPro works from this angle, PrPro SDK is at your disposal.

3. If you feel someone gives wrong advice, it's wise to reproduce the issue first, then fix and propose a workaround.

[kankku56]

Dear Mr Barsik!

A registry backup is not a system restore point (if you mean that when you are talking about back up point). It's just a copy of registry and useful when you have installed a program, uninstalled it, and easily want to make sure that all chances that program has made to registry has been removed. Making registry backup is a standard procedure when you are testing some program without using virtual machine.

Do you mean that I should have made K-lite pack to corrupt my registry? I really don't know how to do that, because anything like that have never happened to me. That kind of problem usually depends on many factors often related to specific hardware and driver combinations.

I see no reason to wipe out a bootable disk if the system is working. Maybe my conclusion was a bit impetuous. Maybe you will advice me: Why is it necessary to format your boot disk (and reinstall OS) if your system is working and you can make all the needed chances inside Windows?

[Guest]

Irrespective of whether you realise it or not, creating registry backup copy is about creating OS back up point.

Regard to the necessity of formatting boot disk and running clean OS install, you've already been explained by Jim: registry backup copy can hardly help those who didn't create it. Just try to listen to.

[kankku56]

Dear Mr Barsik!

I still can't realize why you had to format your boot disk to install a fresh copy of Windows. Neither can I understand the necessity to totally reinstall OS if registry entries, needed for Adobe's products to work properly, are damaged. Uninstalling Adobe suite should remove all changes made by installing that suite, doesn't it? In that case it should be quite simply to uninstall and reinstall that suite. I've done it many times for many reasons and in most cases it solves all the problems. Of course you had to also uninstall the program that is in conflict with Adobe suite first.

Is there perhaps some registry or system chances that are not removed by uninstalling Adobe products? Are those chances possibly on your hard disk outside of OS? An interesting point of view. If such permanent chances are made by some programs (Adobes programs for example), what are they needed for? And if they are needed why uninstalling a product wouldn't remove those chances? And why reinstalling a program wouldn't repair possible residues those are not removed by uninstall process?

You seem to be convinced that all the difficulties in removing and reinstalling Adobe' program's in this case are caused by K-lite pack. It is really difficult to believe that installing and removing K-lite pack can make it impossible to uninstall and reinstall Adobe's suites. K-lite installation doesn't make any undoable permanent chances in Windows registry. Does Adobe products make such chances?

Those are questions that I can't answer, and I think that, only Adobe's own personal knows the answers. It has become clear that those problems are especially difficult with Premiere and AE.

Also it's became clear that those problems usually are unfixable without very strong measures. Nothing more has been said in this discussion. It sounds the same as someone suggest to you to chance the motor in your car or even the hole car, when a spark plug is damaged!

[Guest]

First and foremost, I don't feel the need to concentrate on fixing issues caused by K-Lite for myself, since I don't see any reason to install it. That task is for you.

Since you're unable to understand why one would need to run clean OS install in case he didn't create registry backup copy, let's try to reflect on the following:

- an application altered some registry entries, and the user doesn't know which exactly;

- as a result of this alteration Adobe application cease to function properly, but there are no warranties that other useful application are not affected as well, and after some tests the user suspect they are.

The task is to restore the system to the point it had been at until that damaging application was installed (i.e. to remove all the mess so as to avoid all sorts of the risk, including potential ones).

Therefore, the question is: how to do that aside from restoring from boot disk image or running clean installation?

If you know some other ways, do not hesitate to share.

[Jeff Bellune]

Several personal attacks and off-topic comments have been removed from some of the posts in this thread.  Please keep the discussion relevant and keep personal feelings to yourself or the topic will be locked.

Jeff

[kankku56]

If there is no backup copy you can search the registry by the date changes has been made. If you remember even the day you have installed a program it is possibly to get a list of keys that are changed on that day and also exact times when chances have been made.. Because I am lazy I use specific programs to find that information. ( I don't want to advertise any specific program, because there are so many sufficient free and commercial  programs for that purpose. Today I'm using jv16 powertools that cost about 30 $. I am not saying that this program is better than any other corresponding registry tool).  Now I had to make a serious warning: Do not make any changes to your registry if you are not absolutely sure that you know what you are doing!

Of course you had to know what the original registry values have been and that's the tricky part. I think that if you take a copy of changes that has been caused by installing some program and contact Adobe support they can help you to write the right values back to registry. The same applies probably to most program vendors.

If you don't even know which program has caused problems and when this has happened you are in deep troubles and then it's time to seriously consider OS reinstallation. Even then you should not straight away format your hard disk without trying to rescue your data. In Windows 7 pro, ultimate and enterprise you can (I'm not sure if home edition has sufficient disk management tools) create a new partition and save your data there. That is needed if you have only one hard disk and only one partition on it. There are also both freeware and commercial software that you can use to create a new partition. If you can not boot your machine even in safe mode and want so rescue your data you can install windows without need to format your hard disk.

Summa summarum!

When some conflict has caused your important programs not to work and you have no system restore point made and no registry copies either, I recommend following procedure:

1. Uninstall and reinstall the program that is not working well.

If that doesn't help:

2. Uninstall programs that you expect to have caused those problems. Usually it's wise to start uninstalling from the latest installation and go backwards.

If that doesn't help:

3. Check registry and try to locate changes that have caused the problem.

If that doesn't help:

4. Save all your important data on a separate location (in another hard disk, partition or removable storage).

5. On that point you can try to repair Windows installation using installation disk. Unfortunately, it usually does not succeed.

6. On this point there is no reason to try to keep your old file system because a fresh installation of Windows force you anyway reinstall all programs. So now it is time to format your boot disk if you want to.

Usually first two steps are sufficient to solve problems caused by software conflicts. Further steps are depending on your ability and knowledge.

[excited_Genie16B8]

Couple of things.  First, the general recommendation is not to partition your drives.  Second, it's also recommended that anyone reinstalling the OS would backup wanted or needed files before doing so.  An external drive can be used, DVDs or BDs can be used, a big enough thumb drive, another computer, etc.  And third, formatting is par for the course when installing the OS.  Windows does it by default.  It's the best way to ensure you really are starting clean, with nothing left over that might interfere.

Now if you have the skills to undo any damage caused by installing software that interferes with Adobe products, whether commercial or open source, go right ahead and do so.  If you have experience with a specific software package and can explain step by step the process to others, go ahead and do so.  But barring that, suggesting a reformat and reinstall is still a valid general option when things get out of hand, especially when the user's technical skill is unknown.  The reason Harm goes straight for option 6 is because from experience, 3 is beyond the ken of most editors and 1, 2 and 5 simply do not solve the problems where K-Lite is concerned.

[kankku56]

You are right. If you have many hard disks, removable storage etc (DVD and BD disks are usable if you have a very small amount of data to save).  If you have not and are in a desperate situation, creating a new partition and saving data there, is a considerable alternative and anyway better than just format your disk and loose all your data. I have a bit different opinion about partitioning hard disks. I have a RAID with multiple disks and it is much faster to check and defragment  for example three 2TB partitions, than one 6TB partition. On different partitions you can also define different allocation unit size depending on the size of files you are operating with each partition.

Installing Windows without formatting hard disk is useful in situations, where you can not boot up your computer and have no possibility to put your hard disk to another computer to rescue your data. Otherwise it is pointless and i agree that formatting hard disk and installing OS in a clean partition is the best solution.

What comes to K-lite problems (and in general program conflicts with Adobe's products), I have very little more to say. I've never encountered problems described here. If problems occur and I found some solution, I will return to subject. Actually I came to this discussion accidentally. My meaning was just to check, if Adobe has any plans to make it possible to use Adobe's suite to directly edit Matroska files. On that subject I have nothing new to say. Anyone can use what ever converter he wants. I have a few converters and depending of the need I use some of them.

[excited_Genie16B8]

creating a new partition and saving data there, is a considerable alternative and anyway better than just format your disk and loose all your data.

It's better to find a way to save out your data than to partition the disk, especially a boot disk.

[kankku56]

Of course it's always best to data backups in a totally different storage outside of your pc. I am using external hard disks and another pc depending on how often I had to reach that data. The most important information I have backed up in 3-4 different storages.

About partitioning... well I have always made at least two partition in my pc. Even now when I have many disks. My opinion is that making a separate boot partition for OS and basic programs and one or more partitions for secondary programs and data is the best way to easily survive without the loss of data in situations when your pc is in a nonbootable state.

If your data is in different partition you can quickly format boot partition and reinstall OS without need to make backup copies with a cripple machine. I never save anything in boot disk, not even temporarily. It's very time consuming to recover data from a corrupted partition.

Well, about that K-lite. Like I said, I've never had any problems with it. The problem sounds interesting anyway. I understood that the problem has been widely discussed in Adobe forums. I have not been following those conversations. It would be interesting to focus on that matter. I just don't know What kind of problems they are. I uninstalled and reinstalled my K-lite packs to check those registry changes it made, but superficial examination gave me no clue for any kind of problems. I had no time to make any deeper analysis, but Premiere and AE seem to work as they should. I would like to hear a bit more exact description. How and in what kind of situations those problems occur. I could try to reach the same kind of situation on my VM and try to find out what's going on: Can you send me a link or describe yourself a bit more about the problem?

[Guest]

Start with e.g. 'K-Lite issues' search and sooner or later you'll find something like this or that to explore.

[excited_Genie16B8]

My opinion is that making a separate boot partition for OS and basic programs and one or more partitions for secondary programs and data is the best way to easily survive without the loss of data in situations when your pc is in a nonbootable state.

I (and I think most here) would disagree.  Partitioning does not spread out the load, and can actually slow things down if you start treating the partition as two separate drives (which is how it appears in Explorer).

To prevent data loss in the event of the machine becoming non-bootable, you make regular backups of critical data, you don't partition.

[kankku56]

The main reason for me to make different partitions on my RAID arrays is of course, that I hate 10 - 20 TB monster partitions. Also the smaller the cluster size is, the bigger file allocation table (FAT) will be. The bigger the FAT is, the slower the operation system works with the disk.  In boot partition I use a small cluster size, in media partition maximal. I also need to have at least on FAT 32 partition for VM testing purposes.

I agree that just for backup purposes a separate partition is needed only if you have only one hard disk and no other storage for backups.

[excited_Genie16B8]

I hate 10 - 20 TB monster partitions.

So use fewer disks.  You can create multiple arrays on the same card.  It's better than partitioning.

I agree that just for backup purposes a separate partition is needed only if you have only one hard disk and no other storage for backups.

Not even then.  You can buy pretty big thumb drives these days.  And blank DVDs for data backup are pretty cheap.

The point is, DO NOT PARTITION, not for any reason.

[kankku56]

The reson to use RAID 0 is to gain speed. If you use fewer disks you loose speed. And what is the reason to anticipate partitioning? I really don't understand. Do you really think that partitioning is doing some harm to your system? Can you tell me what kind of harm can it do,  and in  what kind of situation?

[excited_Genie16B8]

Do you really think that partitioning is doing some harm to your system?

No, I don't think it does any harm, per se.  But it does slow things down and does increase the chance of data loss.

The reason RAID 0 is faster is because it spreads the load out over several disks.  When you partition, you do the opposite. You consolidate a load that would normally be spread across several disks onto one disk (or in this case, one array).  It somewhat defeats the purpose.

Partitions also increase the chance of data loss.  If you store A, B and C on three partitions instead of three drives, and that drive goes kaput, you could lose all three, instead of just the one that was on the faulty drive.

RAID 0 also increases the chance of data loss with the number of drives in the array.

So it's just all over a bad idea to partition.  (And not the best idea to use RAID 0.)

[kankku56]

Obviously you  Mr Simon are an expert on data storage systems. Now I am still strongly disagreeing your opinion. That doesn't mean that I don't respect your point of view. I just have  a totally different opinion.

Partitioning does not change hardware RAID by any way. It does not make the system work slower or faster. Actually it has nothing to do with it.

Partitioning really (as you pointed out) changes the way windows deals with the files. Yes, it is much slower to move a file from a partition to another. Moving it on the other hand defragments it. After defragmenting you can usually reach that file 10 -20 times faster. Of course you can defragment your hard disks (or just defragment certain files), but it is a very time consuming procedure with a 10 - 20 TB disk.

I think that there is no correct solution to this question. Partitioning your disks is not a standard procedure recommended for everybody. My opinion is: by partitioning you can gain benefits if you know what you are doing.

I hope that you tell me how partitioning can increase possibility of data loss. I can not imagine any such situation.

[Harm_Millaard]

Imagine a huge parking lot (a single partition) and you want to park your car. Simple, find an empty place and park it. EOS.

Now the next time you come to that parking lot, you find an attendant (the OS partition manager) first asking you what you want to do here and then telling you that things have changed. The previous huge parking lot has been split up into numerous parking lots (partitioned) and you have to drive around the building to parking lot P3 and enter there. So you have to reverse, drive around the building and enter lot P3 (not P2 or P4, so be attentive) and find an empty slot to park your car.

In the back of your mind you think: 'What?' Why do they have to make it so complicated to simply park your car? There is no more parking space, and it takes me more time to drive around the building and find the correct entrance, not to mention the extra mileage and the 'wear-and-tear' of my car. And let's not forget the attendant, required to tell me the new situation. When everybody has to cut costs, due to the financial crisis, these idiots HIRE a new guy, increasing overhead and they have no discernible benefit for the guys who want to simply park their car.

That is in a nutshell what partitioning does. It increases overhead, it increases delays, it increases inefficiency, it increases 'wear-and-tear' on your disks.

[kankku56]

Do you mean that all parking problems could be solved by creating one huge global parking place?

Ok a cheap joke.

Seriously speaking, adressing in a data matrix (your computer's name space)is not depending on partitioning. The length of a filename or the length of path to that file is not an issue. Nor is partitioning an issue. There is nobody asking anything in your computer. There is only a data matrix, that contains information. It doesn't matter if data is located here or there. Files have an adress and your pc finds those files by using their location in that data matrix.

So what has a partition manager to do in that process. In principle it tells to your cpu that there is another data matrix. It gives adresses. That process takes nanoseconds (depending on your hardware). In no case it slows down your pc so much that you can see the difference.

I undrestand very well, that the simpiest way to do things is usually the best way. What comes to partitioning hard disks the simplest solution is best in most cases, but not always. Saying, that partitioning is always wrong, means in fact, that there are a lot of naughty people who are creating software and hardware based systems to make your computer ineffective. Does that sound realistic?

I find partitiong as a tool. A tool like a hammer. You can benefit a hammer, but you can also damage your thumb with it.

[Harm_Millaard]

Nor is partitioning an issue. There is nobody asking anything in your computer. There is only a data matrix, that contains information. It doesn't matter if data is located here or there. Files have an adress and your pc finds those files by using their location in that data matrix.

You are overlooking the most important drawback of partitioning: The extra distance the heads need to move to slower parts of the disk and back and the increased access times, increasing wear-and-tear on the mechanical parts, slowing R/W on all but the primary partition and reducing efficiency. The transfer rates can decrease by as much as 50% due to partitioning and shorten the life-span of the disk significantly.

[kankku56]

If you are having a workstation and problems occur, the most comfortable solution is always: DO NOT DO IT!

The most simple way to avoid problems and conflicts is not to push the power button.  If you, for some purpose, do open your PC and try do do something with it, you can end up in troubles.

What do your advice: "DO NOT PARTITION, not for any reason" means?

Microsoft offers you a method to create a storage system that suits your needs. Why not to use it?

What comes to the problem with K lite packs. My opinion (nothing more than an opinion), is that the problem is in software protection system. I just studied, only superficially, my registry and noticed some null embedded keys (Minnesota Dolby key for example). The problem in those kind of keys is, that Windows 32 API can't handle such keys. To moderate such strings you had to use native NT32 API. So why do you need to format your disk and by that way repair your Adobe installation if it corrupts? Because windows simply can not change registry keys with null embedded names.

There is also a deeper problem. To protect a program against piracy, you can locate some files on hard disk by such a way, that they can not be moved or copied. In that case there it's nothing much to do.

When you install a program (like K-lite), you make changes in windows registry. If changes by any reason can not be made,  there will be  a possible conflict.

In K-lite and Adobe conflict I had to admit Mr Millaard's solution: If you want to use Adobe's programs, do not install any other codecs. In fact: do not install anything but OS and Adobe's programs. Doing so you have a clean workstation with minimal conflicts"

[excited_Genie16B8]

Why not to use it?

Because there are better ways to meet those needs, ways which do not suffer the drawbacks of partitioning.

[excited_Genie16B8]

The solution is this: Before installing any new driver, codec pack or software you just had to make a backup copy of the whole registry.

That's not much help for someone who didn't know that before installing.  And while I would argue that these days, any editor really should also be something of a computer geek, the fact is that's not always the case.  We often don't know the level of a users technical ability, so the recommendation to wipe and reinstall the OS is often the best suggestion when things have gotten too far out of hand.