I need to get my mouse sharpened...

[shooternz]

Just an observation ....but I think that CS6 has turned my mouse into a blunt object!

Like filleting a fish with a blunt knife.

I have cut a handful of small projects with CS6 since its release but I am currently in the middle of cutting 8 TVCs. 

This experience with CS6 has confirmed my observation that the new timeline trim tricks and functions seems to make me feel as if I am  cutting with a blunt instrument compared to previous versions of PPRO.

If the mouse cursor is not precisely positioned...one does not get the trim action or result that one wants so easily.  ie. Fiddling around until the desired trim indicator shows.

Working in a scaled out timeline makes things easier but it never felt this difficult before to get onto and edit point at either end of a clip.

With clients besides me...I have never felt so bumbling as this makes me look!

BTW - I am using combinations of mouse, shortcut keys and modifier keys.

[shooternz]

Darn...Jim is a "young dog" and also set in his ways.... but I did not want him to be lonely.

[Toomany3-KEeYrp]

Thinner cursors and less space for the proximity "helper" sound like great feature requests: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

How's this for a feature request? Make that feature request link easier to get your requests in and out.  I can't tell you how many times I've wanted to submit a quick feature request but then never get to it because I don't want to have to fill out all the REQUIRED spaces.

I know it's off topic, but I surely can't be the only one who's said, "ahhhh, forget it. Not worth it."

If there were a button on the HELP menu that said "submit feature request," with a quick form, then you'd already have all the other foo-foo info (Adobe ID, program, OS, email address, etc.) and the user just has to type his/her request and hit enter.

Sorry to get so sidetracked, but I only submit 1 out of 10 of my "wish list" requests because it takes too much time the "right" way.

[Kevin-Monahan]

Thanks for the feedback Toomany. I'll make sure the powers that be know about that.

[tclark513]

Kevin Monahan wrote:

Jim Simon wrote:

It's the proximity "helper" that drives me crazy.

Right?!

Thinner cursors and less space for the proximity "helper" sound like great feature requests: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

What exactly is the proximity helper?

[Kevin-Monahan]

tclark513 wrote:

What exactly is the proximity helper?

It's not an official name, but I believe they are speaking of the relative area near the edit point, where the selection tool turns into a trim tool. Right guys?

[excited_Genie16B8]

YES!  I just recently realized that is the major issue.  Previously with the standard selection tool (V), the mouse cursor changed to the Trim tool when close to an edit point.  Holding CTRL changed that into Ripple Trim.

The new behavior adds the Rolling Edit mode, and this is what's driving me nuts.  N-V-T-S I tells ya!  If I want a Rolling Edit, I'll change from the Selection tool to the Rolling Edit tool.  I don't want Rolling Edit to come up as an option when I'm using the Selection tool.  That makes it much more finicky trying to go into Ripple Edit mode.

Take out that damn Rolling Edit mode, Adobe!!!  We already have a tool for that.  Having that mode available with the Selection tool makes using Ripple Edit much more difficult.

[shooternz]

Hey Jim

Can you make a video screen capture so we can see how you edit and where your issues lie.

I am surprised how difficult you are finding this.

I love having Rolling Edit so easily accessable without going to a separate tool.

ie.  I can select it with the mouse but mainly I select it by toggling the Trim Modes ( left hand on keyboard)

[excited_Genie16B8]

I love having Rolling Edit so easily accessible without going to a separate tool.

THAT is the new feature that has been driving me crazy!  I hate it, I freakin' hate it!  Every time I get the cursor close and hit CTRL to go into Ripple Trim, it goes into that damn Rolling Edit mode instead.  You actually have to back the cursor off from the edit point to get Ripple Trim, which is counterintuitive and problematic, because if you back off too far you lose the Trim mode altogether.

Screen capture is problematic.  I don't have or want any such software installed on my production rig.

[shooternz]

I would have thought for a Mouse ,Click Drag editor it would have been very intuitive.

Roll Trim on the Centre of an edit and  Trim or Ripple Trim either side of the centre depending on the direction required. Makes perfect sense and logic.

I suggest to you as a "Mouse ,Click Drag editor" ...that you simply use the keyboard shortcut to zoom in to your timeline ,(edit point)  quickly and easily and so allow more "proximity space" for your cursor control.

[excited_Genie16B8]

Roll Trim on the Center of an edit and  Trim or Ripple Trim either side of the center depending on the direction required. Makes perfect sense and logic.

Yes, if only it worked that way.  Unfortunately, the "center" which initiates the Rolling Edit covers too much area, and includes the space where previously we'd simply go into the expected Ripple Edit mode, thus forcing the area that initiates the Ripple Edit freakishly far away from the actual edit point.

The zoom level doesn't seem to be relevant here.  Within a certain proximity to the edit point, hitting CTRL goes into Rolling Edit rather than the expected and desired Ripple Edit.

[Jack Banatoni]

Been using CS6 since release and still haven't gotten used to the constantly changing trim mode.  I'm also running into issues where I have to zoom in quite a lot to right click in empty space between clips for the Ripple Delete option to appear.

The "get used to it" attitude is kind of disappointing since, you know, I "got used to" the way trimming has worked in every other version of Premiere Pro.

[excited_Genie16B8]

Agreed.

[Toomany3-KEeYrp]

Jack, I totally agree with you.

[shooternz]

Have any of you tried a simple keyboard shortcut for  Toggle Trim Mode (Trim Type).

I set up  SHift -Z to quickly toggle the Trim Mode ( Trim Type)

If the Trim is on the edit point...one can quickly toggle to the type you want. 

There is zero need to faff around hovering the edit point and it also has same functionality if one is using the Trim Monitor.  ( "T")

It also brings into play decent keyboard editing for those that use more  keyboard  than mouse in the timeline edit techniques.

The options are there for all level of users (and all I hear from colleagues -  FCP /AVID switchers - is praise).

Complaints about new TL Trimming  are very rare in this forum and un noticeable elsewhere.  

I was asked at the Adobe CS6 Road Show ten days ago in Auckland NZ, what were my favourite features of the new Premiere.

It was Timeline Trimming, Hover Browse, Mercury Transmit.

Deleting empty space. 

If it is a tiny space ..that usually indicates to me that the editor is probably razoring in the timeline and not making use of the trim tools  or other functions in an efficient / effective way.  ( No matter what version of the trim tools old / new). 

Zooming into that is the only way in that case.

[excited_Genie16B8]

There is zero need to faff around hovering the edit point

But it's faster and more precise that way (or at least, it used to be) when your hand is already on the mouse.

[shooternz]

Whats your left hand doing?

It used to be hovering near the Modifying CTRL and  ALT key anyway.

[Jack Banatoni]

I'm happy that the new trim mode works for some people.  I don't have any problem with adding functionality.  Interrupting functionality that already existed is disappointing.  Sure, there are all kinds of new features to win over FCP/Avid users, but what about the people who were already using Premiere Pro?  Considering there are several lengthy threads on this subject, I'd say I'm not the only one who preferred the old trim methods.

Ripple delete was just an example, by the way.  Everyone has their own editing style and sometimes it's necessary to work on a project someone else started that may benefit from using ripple delete.  The same is true if you want to select the edge of another clip.  It used to be very easy to edit adjacent clips on a sequence and now it's "zoom in all the way, click clip edge, click in empty area, click next clip edge, click in empty area..."  I don't see why it's so radical to suggest a feature to turn off the automatic trim mode changes.  That would benefit both mouse and keyboard editors.

With the automatic rolling edit tool, I could say the same to keyboard editors: how hard was it to hit N?

[excited_Genie16B8]

Interrupting functionality that already existed is disappointing.

Exactly.

With the automatic rolling edit tool, I could say the same to keyboard editors: how hard was it to hit N?

Right?!

[SplineTimeLine]

I agree somewhat. I think the biggest "sticking" point (pun intended) is that:

1-previously I could move quite subtly around the trim point and get the function to change i.e. trim/ripple/etc or grab. The new behavior is much more aggressive "invoking tool" much further from the trim boundary.

2- I have to explicity click off the clip and then click on the other side to change which side I'm addressing. Before I could just move the mouse to the other side and it would "follow" my intent. I understand with the the new trim mode, that could cause issues.

Maybe an option in preferences to change the strength of the function "snap" and the ability to say "work like now or to go back to "mouse position" context aware.

Overall, I know that I am used to doing it a certain way, and it will take some adjustment, and I do like a lot of the features, but I am definitely clicking more.

Kevin L

[excited_Genie16B8]

Both excellent points.  That's why I want a preference to turn off the new 'keyboard trimming' and restore the older (and faster, if your hand is already on the mouse) method of trimming.

[Jack Banatoni]

"2- I have to explicity click off the clip and then click on the other side to change which side I'm addressing. Before I could just move the mouse to the other side and it would "follow" my intent. I understand with the the new trim mode, that could cause issues."

That's my biggest issue with the current trim tools.  It doesn't "follow" the intent.  Good way to sum that up.

If I have layers stacked, sometimes I'll need to grab the edge of both clips and drag them out.  Now, it matters which side of the clip your cursor is to drag it out.  Otherwise, you only take one clip with you.

Jim has the right idea with the option to turn the new trimming "feature" on/off.

[excited_Genie16B8]

It's not that hard, really.  Another option in the General Preferences marked "Allow Edit Point Selection".  Adobe can even have it check by default, just so long as I can go in and turn it off.

(And get rid of the Rolling Edit option when near an edit point.  Slide or Ripple should be the only choices when the selection tool is used.  If I want a Rolling Edit, I'll hit the N key.)

[cliffclof]

Any news on this.   It's important for adobe to fix this IMO.  Kind of like fixing the front door on your house after it fell in.

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@ Jim

Use Screenr its web based and you dont have to install anything.  I have used it for recording a Premiere session, its easy.  And FREE

GLenn

[tclark513]

Jas Brooks wrote:

Here's a useful fix to make several of the most-used timeline cursors much more slimline and inobtrusive. It works by simply replacing the files inside your contents, so need a minimal degree of technical knowledge to implement.

I strongly recommend checking it out:

http://philipbloom.net/2012/07/07/premiereicons/

Cheers,

jason

I wonder if we can use the cursors from CS5?