Inserting clips and having Markers adjust

[KostFan2]

1) Using Windows 11 PC with a project with over 300 clips already placed that include Segment and Comment markers in the timeline.  Need to insert and new clip in the middle.  When I use Track select forward tool it moves the clips but not the markers creating a nightmare to adjust the markers to match the clips.

Can anyone share a workflow they use to overcome this issue

2) When moving a clip and its segment marker to another location in the timeline> Curretn process is:
Copy the source video
Place the CTI at the destination
Press Shift Alt V and source clip appears with the Marker and pushes everything to the right.

However, when I select the original clip and delete it and then select ripple delete, the original segment market still remains.

Any workflow suggestions are greatly appreciated

[MyerPj]

On the MARKERS menu at the bottom you can turn on the Pref for Ripple Sequence Markers and Copy Paste  Includes Sequence Markers. That may solve your issue.

[MyerPj]

Off the top of my head I'd say you need clip markers and not sequence markers. To create a clip marker make sure the clip is selected in the timeline before you add the marker. Or you can using the Source monitor to watch the clip and make clip marker. 

[KostFan2]

MyerPj: Thanks for your response.  However, the project already has 300 clips added to the timeline, and over 70 of those have Segment Markers.  I am trying to move those existing clips with their segment markers in the timeline.

Also, I have not been able to export all of the clip markers in the timelines successfully. It seems that this is not a supported feature in Premier Pro.  Exporting markers is an important tool as you can view the segments at a glance to decide where edits can be made in a project.

[PaulMurphy]

1. Instead of using the Track Select Forward Tool, you can load the clip into the Source Monitor, set your in/out points, and use Sequence > Insert. This will insert the clip at the playhead position while pushing down any following clips and sequence markers. To ensure sequence markers adjust properly, make sure Markers > Ripple Sequence Markers is enabled.
2. There isn't a single command to delete both a clip and the sequence marker above it at the same time. You will need to delete the clip and then remove the marker separately. However, as @MyerPj suggested, if you need markers to move with specific clips, using Clip Markers instead of Sequence Markers might be a more effective approach.

[KostFan2]

Paul:

Thank you for your response.  To confirm, you are saying that deleting an existing clip together with its segment marker is not a supported feature.  They have to be deleted as two separate actions, correct?

Also, can you confirm that exporting Clip markers is not a supported feature as well.  I am able to export Comment, Chapter, and Segment makers and I use this as a valuable way to determine where to make edits in the project.

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[R Neil Haugen]

You have to think of where the data is 'stored' ... sequence markers are sequence data, not clip data. They stay in place on a sequence.

Clip markers are clip data, not sequence data. They stay with the clip.

Which is why MyerPj and Paul's comments are so necessary to understand.

[KostFan2]

R Neil Haugen

Thank you for encouraging me to understand a core concept.

Difference between Comment and Chapter markers.

Is there any difference in the functions of these two markers.  For example, what functions does a Chapter marker have that a Comment Marker does not?

I already know the differences in the use cases, as summarized below. However., My question is: what is the difference in the function.  I know that neither of these supports copy and paste and, therefore, I am using Segmentation markers which does support this feature when the settings are set for this.

Comment	Creator/Editor	Expand: timecode will expand it
Chapter	Viewer	YouTube Timestamps: Organizational tool: By Subject
Segmentation	Creator/Editor	Use “Alt” and arrow to expand it Note: timecode will NOT expand it Appear in Program monitor
Clip Marker	Creator/Editor	Appears in Source Monitor, Stored with the clip

[Warren Heaton]

If we place Chapter Markers as a Timeline Marker or Clip Marker and then export to QuickTime, the Premiere Pro Chapter Markers will be included as QuickTime Chapter Markers in the resulting movie file.  

QuickTime Chapter Markers will show in QuickTime Player or any other application that sees QuickTime Chapter Markers.

[R Neil Haugen]

This is far more complex than you think it is at first. And it takes some use to start both making sense of it, and understanding when and how to use the different types of markers.

Warren's got good comments too. He's quite the experienced timeline user.

[KostFan2]

Yes, the downside of having a product as excellent as Premier Por is that
its complexity requires a significant usage time investment to understand
how to use the product in the most efficient way possible. We have
reviewed available YouTube tutorials on Markers and read available Adobe
resources. However, they did not cover the difference in functions between
the Comment and Chapter markers for a workflow involving just Premier Pro.
I want to understand the limitations so that the workflow we design is the
most efficient. I want to avoid a situation where 4 weeks from now I
realize I should have used one marker type over the other. Because we
often have to move clips after they have been placed on the timeline, we
use Segment markers because those support copy and paste. The additional
workflow step is to delete the duplicate segment marker.

--
Richard
(650) 619-6950

[R Neil Haugen]

I totally understand. I've argued for far better use-case documentation for years, personally.