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johnl33044717
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October 27, 2021
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Overexposed/ wrong colors after upgrading Premiere Pro to 22.0.0

  • October 27, 2021
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I had Premiere 2020, but since I work with the new M1 macbook air, I thought it makes sense to upgrade. (Bonus question: It was also constantly crashing, not sure if cause of the processor, or because of using iphone footage with variable frame rates) 

 

Now the vids I already edited seem all overexposed, while the origial is still fine. Very thank ful for hints, what to do here.

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    解決に役立った回答 R Neil Haugen

    There are new color management controls in V22. And you may need to set color managment in both places.

     

    First, for media in a project panel bin, right-click/Modify Properties, go to the bottom of the dialog box. There's a setting there now for color managment and you have several options from HLG/PQ to Rec.709.

     

    Second, for every sequence, you should go to the Sequence settings and check the color space of the sequence, which has the same options as the Clip properties dialog.

     

    It's new, it's potentially confusing, and there isn't it seems any way to set a 'default' behavior. So you may need to do this with all clips if you are working with other than Rec.709 media.

     

    Neil

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    malbutnotbad
    malbutnotbad
    Inspiring
    October 13, 2022

    Nice feature, but it really messed with a project I had already color graded and just came back to make a quick change to a year later... now I have to go through the clips one by one and set them to their proper color space (the one I graded them in in the first place). Side note - I wish the clip color space setting wasn't automatically tied to the frame rate interpretation within the same setting box. That means I can't batch interpret a bunch of clips into the right color space, because some have been slowed down already and others haven't. Because of this I have to go one-by-one... on a 30-min documentary!

    R Neil Haugen
    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    October 14, 2022

    It shouldn't make any difference to the 'speed' interpretation if you change the color management options, if it does, please post, as that would be wrong behavior.

     

    And yea, taking a project from the "everything is Rec.709" 'past' to the future with multiple color spaces has been a rough go at times. Especially with working continuing/older project within 2022.

     

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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    johnl33044717作成者
    Known Participant
    October 10, 2022

    Thanks for the replies! Interpret Footage does do the trick...

     

    ...HOWEVER: 

    I discovered it depends totally on which screen I view the footage. So if I edit on my Macbook, but use a second ASUS Monitor they will look as different as showed above (just the other way round).

    Something one can do about that? 


    But more importantly: I will present my video on a screen  that I dont know yet (in an exhibition). Do I need to last minute change the Color Space again depending on the screens - or is this problem just in the editing process on not after exporting?

    R Neil Haugen
    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    October 10, 2022

    This is why colorists:

     

    1. Use those expensive Grade 1 Reference monitors with multiple internal LUT storage, SDI inputs, dead-even screens across the entire surface, refresh rates to match any sequence settings ... and run above $5,000 for SDR. HDR you're talking $20,000 and up.
    2. Feed that spendy monitor from an AJA or BlackMagic output card or box, so that the OS and GPU do not touch that signal, they know it's a correct file signal.
    3.  Calibrate and then check by running a profile pass with spendy calibrating tools and special software, costing more than we spend on our monitors.
    4. Run everything absolutely TIGHT to the Rec.709 or various HDR specs as their deliverable requirements list.

     

    Yet ... NO one will ever see exactly what the colorist (and their scopes!) sees ... although other highly calibrated pros will see a very, very close approximation. And they know that once released "in the wild", no one's even gonna see it that close, because between screen differences, settings, OS settings, TVs being just off, the viewing environment being totally uncontrolled, that it's just impossible for anyone else to see the exact same image.

     

    BUT ... because the pro colorist does the above, they DO know that on every screen out there "in the wild", their material will look ... relative to other professionally produced media on that screen ... professionally produced.

     

    The closer you can come to a colorist's visual setup, the better.There are known things to sort out, such as your OS, the monitor's basic capability, GPU settings, whatnot.

     

    The Mac OS uses ColorSync for color management, which seems to be ok with HDR media, but absolutely screws up SDR/Rec.709 signals. It applies a very wrong monitor gamma of 1.96, rather than the required 2.4 (2.2 allowed for 'bright screen' viewing environments).

     

    Windows doesn't intentionally screw the image up, but then ... it doesn't intentionally do it right either. So depending on the computer setup, your GPU's settings, and monitor ... there are several things to check also.

     

    IF you have calibrated that external monitor with a puck/software like the Xrite i1 Pro setup, you can have some hope that it's reasonably close. But I've heard various things between Mac users, some of which seemed to get a 'normal' Rec.709 signal out to external monitors, and some who couldn't get past ColorSync's 1.96 gamma for Rec.709 files. I don't know enough Mac stuff to know how to bypass ColorSync.

     

    Other than knowing that while Chrome & Safari browsers and QuickTime player allow ColorSync to control or "color manage' the screen, Firefox browser and VLC player apparently don't. So ... VLC Player on that external after calibration may be a better view of the image ... maybe.

     

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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    Lachlan5E92
    Participant
    November 30, 2021

    This is profoundly bad. Incomprehensible that this shipped. Adobe should be holding an emergency meeting to find out who gets fired over this. I can't even wrap my head around how this could possibly occur.

     

    99.9999% of all video in 2021 is digital to digital. The fact that this doesn't default to not making your PNGs weirdly dark, making your exports weirdly saturated or desaturated, and making every colour setting names after a Dalek is beyond incomprehensible. You've completely made me lose faith that any of the colours my designer picks or my videographer shoots is in any way represented inside of Premiere.

      R Neil Haugen
      R Neil Haugen
      Legend
      November 30, 2021

      The problem with the changes to color management and default behaviors are not with the program. They are that users are not made aware of the changes.

       

      The changes are very necessary, though I do not feel they were rolled out in a best-case way. And they do work fine once the users understand the new process, giving far more flexibility to different workflows that include working with both higher color images (wider/deeper color space and gamut) and higher dynamic range images.

       

      If you know how the new settings work, it all just works  If you don't it will seem bizarre.

       

      The following FAQ lists all the information you need to know. It includes the information on previous practices within Premiere, the changes, and the new steps to follow.

       

      Neil

       

      FAQ: PremierePro 2022 Color Managment for Log/RAW Media

      Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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      Lachlan5E92
      Participant
      November 30, 2021

      Thanks R Neil Haugen. Very comprehensive documentation you've put together there. I agree that this hasn't been rolled out in the best case way, and Adobe should try and remedy this, but this is a good resource in the interim. Thanks for this. 

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      Igor Margato
      Participant
      November 22, 2021

      Hey there!

       

      I was with the same issue here and the Interpret Footage totally worked here. Still kind of a headache doing this to every video file since I organize them in differente folders before importing to Premiere. But better than nothing.

       

      A tip to improve this workaround and speed up this process: I created a shortcut to the Interpret Footage box then I don't need to right click>Modify>Interpret every time. Just select the clips and press control+i [my shortcut].

        R Neil Haugen
        R Neil Haugen解決！
        Legend
        October 29, 2021

        There are new color management controls in V22. And you may need to set color managment in both places.

         

        First, for media in a project panel bin, right-click/Modify Properties, go to the bottom of the dialog box. There's a setting there now for color managment and you have several options from HLG/PQ to Rec.709.

         

        Second, for every sequence, you should go to the Sequence settings and check the color space of the sequence, which has the same options as the Clip properties dialog.

         

        It's new, it's potentially confusing, and there isn't it seems any way to set a 'default' behavior. So you may need to do this with all clips if you are working with other than Rec.709 media.

         

        Neil

        Everyone's mileage always varies ...
          Stan Jones
          Community Expert
          Stan JonesCommunity Expert
          Community Expert
          October 27, 2021

          See this thread:

          https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro-discussions/just-upgraded-to-v22-hlg-footage-overexposed/m-p/12475685#M374221

           

          Stan

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            johnl33044717作成者
            Known Participant
            October 28, 2021

            This seems to work for new material I add. But for the already edited material the solution you mention didnt do the trick.

              xaviportales
              xaviportales
              Participant
              October 28, 2021

              Hi, I also have the same problem. I updated to 2022. I had already followed the trick but it doesn’t fix the color. The original in MOV is bright and vivid. When you import the file into Premiere it loses color and when you put it in the sequence it is overexposed. I don't know what to do anymore.

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              johnl33044717作成者
              Known Participant
              October 27, 2021

              Edit: If I add new footage to a sequenz its fine, its just the vids I already edited. (For the edited material also this solution didnt do the trick: Right click footage > Modify> Interpret footage > Color space rec709 )

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                sclear001
                Participant
                October 27, 2021

                I have this exact same problem with A7iii footage with the HLG (1-18-1) colour profile, but not from my A7siii Slog3 footage or A7iii footage with the standard colour profile.

                 

                For me with the HLG colour profile it's happening even if I add new footage to the sequence. But it looks as it should in the source window.

                 

                I wonder if this has been caused by HDR features?

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                Gujjar305549704mlu
                Participant
                April 20, 2024

                 which picture profile ??

                 

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