sidechain

[stefanocps]

Hllo i just discover the sidechain possibility while studying a course in audio for video

Now I am woring at a project where the background audio should go down when the main person that is telling the sotires, speaks

I have always done that  gusing keyfrane..but i would like to use the possibility of sidechain now

It seems that it is not on premiere..right?

what workflow can i use for this case?

in general any of you process all the audio track in a daw for a better control? 

thanks

[Peru Bob]

It's called Audio Ducking:

https://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/how-to/automatic-audio-ducking.html

[stefanocps]

i am gonna try that!

thanks

about the whole audio process..

i feel i might be more confortable sending all to a daw like cubase for example

any experience or hint on that?

[Peru Bob]

Sorry, no. 

[Jqke]

I've never had experience with Cubase, but I do use FL Studio frequently, and I think you can either use Audio Ducking or just volume keyframes to replicate the same effect in Premiere.

Just a quick question.. why are you trying to sidechain in a video editing software? Sidechaining is much of an audio production technique, and it should only really be needed while making music in a DAW. I'm not sure if sidechaining is a term used in video editing or not.. but Audio Ducking is different. If you are using the term Sidechaining as in adjusting the volume to be louder/quieter at some times, then Audio Ducking is what you are looking for. If you are using the term Sidechaining as in making sounds louder/quieter to add space in the mix of a song (let the kick drum through), then you should use Cubase or any other DAW to sidechain a song you are making. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=86&v=OMaJPyuwr1A&feature=emb_title

Let me know if this is what you are trying to achieve!

[Richard van den Boogaard]

Adobe's DAW is called Audition. It works perfectly in conjunction with Premiere Pro, although not as integrated as the dynamic linking feature between PPro and After Effects.

Still, over the years, I have learned that most, if not all, things you would want to do audio-wise can be done in PPro. In the Audio Track Mixer panel you can twirl down the arrow Twirl down effects and sends, which will show you the ability to add one or multiple effects per audio track, as well as effects on the master (which is called mix).

With the Add tracks in the Sequence menu you can add submix tracks, which basically function the same as a Send in a DAW, allowing you to create channels with certain effects that you route more than one individual track to, before going to the mix (Master).

So before diving into how to work with Audition, I suggest you try out these somewhat hidden features in PPro.

Hope this helps.

[stefanocps]

 i am studyng a course of music production for video and  i learned the sidechain, as a technique that makes an audio trrack responding to the input of another. Practically:; i have a music track playing, an someone who speech over it:The music track automatically raise or lower the volume according to  when the speaker speaks or not. Yes it is a specifical audio workflow, generally for music, but it all depends the use you do of it. Can be a creative effect for muisc mix but also can be used  for video/music pourpouses..controlling the relaion between 2 audio sources..example speech and background music...

Yes it is s

I always did that manually using keyframe...but would be nice to use such a facility..

[stefanocps]

does audition keeps the tracks separated?i know can do all in premiere but it seems an audio editor could be more accurated,,isnt'it?

also..i have learnt about RX, mvery useful to clean audio..can i use it within premiere?

[Benjamin25856096y56k]

Hey,

I have the same hunger to do more with audio in PP and unfortunatly it holds me back a little. You can send all your audio tracks seperatly out off PP into your DAW of choice. You will need Dante Via, which is a payed application, but you can try it for free for 30 Days. With this program you can route audio inside of your computer from and to other applications. In Dante via you have to put PP in 16 Channel Application input and your DAW as Stereo application input. In PP you set output device as Dante 16 Channel and input as Dante Stereo. Now you can route your tracks in the mixer to seperate channels... 1,2,3,4,... In your Daw you select these inputs, you process them and send them back into PP. Unfortunatly PP does not allow live input monitoring But you can just listen to the output of your DAW. And when your done editing you can record your mix in real-time in PP.

[stefanocps]

been trying..it seems easy to use..but does it work?

at first attempt i had just th eopposite result: music low down when sppech is not there..then after some adjustment it stops reponding..no more value change in the senisity and the other control...

is duck a reliabe tool or i  did somethng wrong?

[Richard van den Boogaard]

There is no autoduck like effect using a side-chain process in PPro. I would like to use a similar effect, but with medium frequencies being ducked, not just the audio levels. As if you're stepping outside a club to have a normal discussion.

I currently achieve this by copying the relevant portion of the music to a new track, to which I apply an effect that ducks the mids. But the transition is not far from how I want it...

[stefanocps]

anyway i studied more..the duck is not a dynamic processor as the sidechain..that makes it not really usable for these pourposes. Only thing that it set keyframe..but then it requires manual adjust

No it is not the solution..i have been told i can export the audio in aaf format so that i can edit it properly in a daw..

i might tray that

[Jqke]

I assume then you are using a Mac.. I'm not really sure of any good free DAWs, maybe Reaper. But you can buy Logic or FL studio for like $200. If you have Cubase, I bet you can use that.

[Kevin-Monahan]

You can do it in Audition. Check out this tutorial.

Thanks,
Kevin

[Richard van den Boogaard]

Thanks, Kevin. That's very helpful.

[Kevin-Monahan]

I've never tried it, Richard, but it looks like a cool feature.

Cheers,
Kevin

[Richard van den Boogaard]

Would be a lot easier if Premiere Pro had a similar process, though...

[stefanocps]

i finally could watch the video..and indeed it seems exactly what we need

But..how do i export multiple audi track to audition?

[Richard van den Boogaard]

Go to Edit > Edit in Audition > Sequence.

In the popup box for video you can choose between Send Through Dynamic Link or Export DV Preview Video. The first will playback video from PPro inside Audition, while the latter will encode a separate video instead.

Once done in Audition you simply close everything out and the clips in PPro will be replaced.

Hope this helps.

[Christiaan1]

I hope the Premiere team will add propper sidechain functioinality. For clear voices, I was hoping to use Sonimble Pure Unmast VST that needs to recieve a sidechain to work.
Here is a sidechain compressor that DOES WORK in premiere pro because it uses his own memory allocation for sending and recieving: https://beatrig.com/support/sidekick-ex6/ I have used it for years and it has done a great job.
I Use the longest attack and slow release.
Kind regards, Christiaan

[Christiaan1]

https://beatrig.com/support/sidekick-ex6/quickstart-premiere

[Wheatskins25972199td05]

this would save me a lot of time manually reverse ducking speech to become audible over terrible background noise HOWEVER the plugin isnt available to buy anymore, and theres no third party distributers or archives that wouldnt give you a virus

sorry to revive the dead discussion, idk anyone else whos still using this plugin the other threads are years old