Transcript not showing up in sequence or matching back, even though it exists

[bengold72]

Premeire Productions

I have a sequence comprised of 6 multicam clips (synced cameras and audio).   The underlying production audio of those multicams (wave files) has been transcribed.   I can open each ave file in the soruce monitor and I see the transcript in the Text Panel.

But in my sequence, the sixth mulitcam has no transcript.   The transcript ends at the end of the 5th multicam.

If I match back, which loads multicam-6 into the source monitor I don't see any transcript.   If I reaveal the clip in the project and double click it to reload the clip into the source monitor the transcript suddenly appears.   

If I delete multicam-6 from my sequence and put it back in, the same behavior (no transcript) re-occurs.

What's going on?

[Stan Jones]

@bengold72,

Disclaimer: I don't use Productions. I have not updated my tests in regular projects using source transcriptions with multicam sequences, but I plan to do so.

When you say "multicam," are you referring to a multicamera sequence that is then nested into another sequence?

An example of transcriptions not showing in a sequence when they exist in the source is if the source's audio in the sequence is overlapped by another clip.

A screenshot might help.

@Kerstin Ebert I see other threads regarding transcriptions not showing, but none seem to match this situation.

Stan

[bengold72]

It is simply an assembly of multiclam clips, not nesting.  Currently, after recutting it it is working.  But this has happened before.  I believer there are more sequences with the problem, I will add info as I find them.  Right now I'm working though, so can't go hunting around.

image of sequence that was exhibiting the issue.

[bengold72]

The behavior is that some clips won't show transcript. it doesn't say "untranscribed" in the text window it just omits them completely.  So if you're searching for word you migh think it doesn't exist in these clips, but in fact it DOES exist but the Text window is omitting it.  Matching back to the bin and opening the multicam clip will reveal the text that is being omitted.

One feature that Premiere is sorely lacking is "search all transcripts" (like Avid).   If I could search all transcripts it would not solve this issue completely, but could be a workaround if I suspect Premiere is gaslighting me again.

[bengold72]

Another issue is some multicams say "no dialogue" in the transcript window.     It claims the audio must be muted or something?  But I can hear it.  Confusingly if I right click on teh multicam and choose "open in timeline" I now see the transcript.  

I'm struggling to understand the paradigm Adobe is attempting here.  What is this use case where I would want no transcript when I'm using a clip, but if I dig down into it I DO see a transcript.   There are no linking problems, it's all in the same project.   

I think Adobe should try to automate this less and just assume that the use intended to see transcripts when there are transcripts.  Is the application trying to guess when I have "dialogue" and when I don't?   I'm befuddled by how many ways I can be told a transcript doesn't exist when it absolutely does.

[Stan Jones]

@bengold72,

Thanks for the additional information.

Upvote this feature request (bulk search AND export) - a very good idea:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro-ideas/transcript-management-search-and-or-bulk-export/id...

Your screenshot is of a sequence with a single video track and 3 audio tracks. I usually associate multicam with a sequence with audio from one camera, audio following the cameras (one track and audio breaks with the video switches), or all audio (3 tracks for 3 cameras, but NO breaks in the audio tracks).

In any event, if audio tracks overlap, only the top track shows its transcript. If you mute the top track, the second track transcript will show. I don't know if this is part of your issue. This is not so much a workflow intention, just a consequence of how text-based editing was created.

And in some situations, you can get the No Dialogue message.

I did a quick test, and I could not find a way for multicam to give me what you are seeing.

I flagged @Kerstin Ebert (one of the quality engineers in the transcription area) because I know there were some issues with disappearing transcripts while I have been away.

Stan

[bengold72]

I don't know what you work on, but I work on films where production delivers 3-6 tracks of audio.   In any case, I have no problem transcribing the clips mostly.  It's the sequences that mysterioulsy omit some clips.

[Stan Jones]

Got it. I'm just trying to understand your workflow. Some "disappearing transcripts" are due to things working "as designed" (e.g. overlapping audio can get complicated) or a bug.

Is the multiple track audio in a single file with the video? Or separate associated files? If multiple tracks in the file, how are you transcribing? A mix?

Stan

[bengold72]

yes, all the tracks are from production wave.  But I fail to see how this matters.  My main issue is that the Text Panel cannot be trusted for anything assembled into a sequence.   I seem to have rectified my issue at this point, but I expect it will happen again.

If I can't easily search through "all of Bob's interview" for example, the Text Panel becomes a hindrance instead of a help.   I would just start using static transcripts at this point, but I've already done so many error corrections and speaker identification to the underlying source transcripts that it would be throwing away days of work.

It's nuts that you can create a "static transcript" from scratch but you can't convert an already exisiting non-static transcript into a static transcript.

[Stan Jones]

> all the tracks are from production wave.

Meaning a clip section on A1 is from File, e.g. xyz.wav? And are you doing a source transcription of xyz.wav?

> I fail to see how this matters. 

If A1, 2 and 3 have transcriptions, only the transcription of A1, and any others on A1, are are going to show in the Text panel. I don't think the developers have this behavior as a goal; it is just a consequence of how the transcription process works at this point.

As I said before, the details matter on trying to sort that kind of "as expected" behavior and a bug.

BTW, it may be possible to export a transcript with edits and speaker names (in the .prtranscript format) from the sequence using its source media transcripts, then create a static transcript of the sequence (no edits/all "speaker 1" etc), then import as static the exported (edited) transcript. In my test just now, it brought in the correct speaker names and edits.

Stan

[bengold72]

"We always suggest using the latest version of Premiere Pro which is currently 25.0 and if not currently the Long Term Support version is 24.6.3"

Well most people tell me upgrading will destroy your project.  It's possible anothe user upgraded.

"there was a bug with Productions and multicam clips"

which version had the bug?  Jeez, what a hassle.   It had a bug with "mutlicams"?   That's a big bug!