Trimming Question

[lloydf20073000]

Hi, I'm wondering if there's a way to go through the timeline frame by frame with the keyboard to get a better trim, the only way I know at the moment is using the mouse to adjust the Playhead Postion.

[Phillip Harvey · Accepted solution]

There are plenty of tools to make edits and navigate while using less of the mouse.

Left & Right Arrows for navigating 1 frame at a time (Add Shift to make it 5 frames at a time)

Q, W for ripple trimming

E for extend edit to playhead

Selected a clips edge (head or tail) and using Ctrl+Left/Right Arrows will allow you to move the position

You can even use your numpad to enter specific timecodes to trim or move a clip in the timeline

JKL are your shuttle keys

Ctrl+K to Add Edit at the CTI (Current Time Indicator or Playhead)

The list goes on and on.

[lloydf20073000]

Using the Ctrl + left/right arrow keys did what I needed thank you. It was jumping 5 frames at a time but I found an option in preferences that let me change it to 1 frame at a time, I'm trying to put videos together so there isn't a jump, make it look seemless.

[MyerPj]

The plain arrow keys should move your CTI (current time indicator) 1 frame at a time, and using the ctrl with the arrows moves it by the amount in the preference you changed. So, now they both should move the cursor 1 frame.

[Scott Denney]

Every since 14.7, it seems that you cannot trim by entering sppecific timecodes on the numeric keypad any longer. Do you know if this a bug, an error on my setup, or has this longstanding, edit system wide function been removed?

[MyerPj]

I'm able to move the CTI via entering in specific time codes. (Then press I or O) to set in/out points. Make sure you are in the timeline panel when you type. 

[Scott Denney]

I may not have explained it well enough. I am talking about using the trim mode (see attachments). You can no longer trim by numeric amounts entered with your keyboard's numeric keypad (full sized keyboard). I'm not interested in using the mouse, or the other keyboard methods of trimming by 1 or 5 frames. I enter specific frame amounts when I trim between two clips. I can also click on incoming or outgoing click on the fly, during trim mode to change from rolling/ripple and which clip gets trimmed. In the example pics attached, I'm trimming the incoming clip by 22 frames as an example. When it comes to triming audio cuts, such as with music, this is faster than any other keyboard/mouse option. Unfortunately, the option I described is no longer possible since the releasae of 14.7.

Trim Mode in Program Monitor (version 14.6):

Trimming Incoming Clip (Version 14.6)

Result of trimming 22 frames by typing "+22" on the numeric keypad.

I hope I was able to make my question a little clearer, and thanks! 

[Scott Denney]

***Also, this was possible without having to type in the timeline. It was all done within the Program Monitor window as pictured.

[MyerPj]

I believe there was some changes to trim-mode awhile back, but I thought it was well before 14.6. I rarely use trim mode. I can do your edit pretty quickly and with timecode and the trimmode display up. From the timeline, select they type edit you want. seems like a ripple-in from the limited screen shot you supplied. You can just edit then, by typing in the timecode +22 and enter. You never have to visit trim-mode. In between if it's the dual monitor you want to see, you can press the hot-key (shift-t on my shortcuts) and then type in the timecode. Doing it this way you still never have to visit the program monitor but you'll have the dual-display. If it's selecting the edit type you think is easier on the dual-disply, you can select it there and then click the timeline to enter the timecode trim amount.

[Scott Denney]

Thanks for your reply MyerPj. The change I described occured in 14.7 and has persisted in 14.8 whcih prompted my question regarding whether Adobe has killed it, or if it was a bug, or due to the update plus my set up. I've since determined that it is not my setup, through tests on my system and other editors also bringing it up as something they used, but have now lost.

I am very familiar with the alternate method you described, however, it adds a few steps to the method I am now missing. As I mentioned, editing audio is far less attractive with the method you described. In the method I described, the trim also loops with preroll and postroll which is a great automatic feature that turns itself off when leaving the trim mode. To achieve this added, automatic function, I'd have to mark in and out, and then set playback to loop playback, then disable after. 

Between muscle memory, habits, setups, and layouts, we all have different workflows that function best for us. I am familiar with all the various ways to trim clips, but I couldn't find any information as to whether my specific method was killed off or if a setting needed to be changed. I have a feeling that your response may mean that it has been removed (even though it still shows the dual clip in the program monitor with options of "button clicking" for trim values), which is a shame. In apps, particularly like Premiere, I would prefer software designers allow the user to define their toolset and usage, not the other way around. This was the reason I left FCP years ago. I'll either wait for an update that restores the functionality, or eventually move on to another edit software, perhaps Avid, or DaVinci if I find that more workarounds will be required to do basic tasks in the manner in which I have always done them.

Thanks again for your help and input. 

[MyerPj]

You're welcome. You might try this, first look to see what others have said. There was some many comments a few versions ago regards trim-mode. User voice is your best recourse now:

https://adobe-video.uservoice.com/forums/911233-premiere-pro
User Voice is where the Adobe engineers look for bug reports, enhancement requests, etc. The urgency for bug reports or new features can be judged by how many of us users upvote the requests. You can search for similar requests using the search feature at the lower right. It's best to upvote a request that has some traction (votes) already, and you can upvote and reply to that thread. If you don't find one the matches your request, then enter a new one. Regardless, post a link back here so those seeing this thread can upvote also.