Zooming and panning within a fixed-size frame

[KMatthia]

I want zoom and pan on a still image, but within a fixed-size frame that does not fill the entire screen. Everything I try, including masking, seems to want to apply the scale and position without regard an outside limit. I'm new to this. Any suggestions?

I'm using Premiere Pro.

[Ann Bens]

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ken+burns+premiere+pro&page=&utm_source=opensearch

[Ann Bens]

Might also look at the Offset effect.

[KMatthia]

Thanks, but I know how to pan and zoom (position and scale). What I don't know is how to do is stop the outside edges of the photograph from moving. In Indesign, I have a frame and a photo. Either can be resized. When the photo is bigger than the frame, then it only shows up to the edges of frame.

[Conrad_C]

I’ve been using InDesign a lot longer than I’ve used Premiere Pro. Based on your other replies, nesting should get you there in Premiere Pro if the nested sequence has portrait dimensions. In the example below, the main sequence is 1920 x 1080 pixels, and inside it is a second sequence of portrait dimensions 608 x 1080, visible by the yellow background I gave it. You can slide or scale that PAN text all you want in that nested sequence, it will never show up outside that yellow box. The reason is that the PAN text is inside the nested vertical sequence, so its visibility is limited by the 608-pixel wide portrait sequence that it is walled into. 

This is similar to how, in InDesign, you would drop a vertical rectangular frame on a page, and the contents of that frame can be moved around in it (with the Direct Selection tool or Content Grabber) without exceeding the frame size. The frame is not as wide as the page, so content visibility is limited by the frame size. The difference is that there are no “pages” in Premiere Pro, instead you have the width and height of a sequence. Just treat sequences as like InDesign frames; each can contain its own contents that are limited by the area you defined when you entered dimensions in Sequence > Sequence Settings for each of the nested sequences.

To make this, just create a vertical sequence and then add it to the main sequence, just like adding another video clip.

When you do this, you have to pay attention to which sequence you need to edit. To pan and zoom the PAN text, you must edit it in the sequence that contains it — the vertical nested sequence, not the main wide sequence. That’s easy, just double-click that sequence in the Timeline or Project panel. Changes will update in the main sequence as soon as the nested sequence is edited. If you have ever edited Smart Objects in Photoshop, it’s kind of like that.

[Michael Grenadier]

build the move with the image full frame and then next it and scale it down...

[Michael Grenadier]

sorry, I meant "nest it"

[KMatthia]

The aspect ratio of the item I want to pan and zoom on is a portrait picture image. I cannot use the video aspect ratio of the timeline to do what you suggest. I want to start a sequence with the full portrait picture well within the borders of the video aspect ratio. Then, as I zoom and pan in on the image, I do not want the edges of the picture to move, but rather the picture to zoom and pan within its original footprint in the image.

I also don't think nesting would make any difference. That seems like shuffeling deck chairs.

When I use a mask, the mask grows with the zoom.

[Michael Grenadier]

Try nesting. If the nest pixel dimensions match the image it will work
unless I'm missing something. The same thing as prebuilding the
animation, exporting and then using that as your clip

[KMatthia]

Whether I did nesting operations correctly or not, I can't say. But it didn't solve the problem. The only thing I've found that works so far is exporting, bringing back video, and then sizing and placing it where I want it.

[Michael Grenadier]

nesting, if you're doing it properly should work the same as exporting and reimporting...  If you want to figure out the proper workflow post back but if you're happy with just exporting and reimporting, that's fine.   Of course, I may be wrong...  it happens everyonceinawhile...  

[KMatthia]

My problem is that there are 100s of images I want to put above other video -- and each one has it's own aspect ratio and pixel size. I'm very interested in finding a workable solution in using nesting. I haven't been able to get the desired result on my own. The direct crop on the picure would seem to be best, but the crop grows with the image rather than holding its starting position. If I add key frames to the crop, then I end up having to guess what the ending point should be in percentage points--almost not possible. Otherwize, cropping works great, and setting an end size for the crop is simply too inexact. (masking grows the same way).

If there were some way to just the crop from growing with the image scale, then it would work. Or, I'm happy to learn more about nesting if you think that's the way to go.

[Conrad_C]

Is this the kind of thing you’re after? If not, say some more about what you need. If this does show what you need, then I’ll tell you how it got set up in a few easy steps without entering any numbers or doing any math. I’m going by what you said about it being many images of different sizes, and you want to minimize the amount of setup for each because there are so many. The inset images are stills, but the steps for video would be no different.

[KMatthia]

Thanks for responding. If those insets are still that are being panned and zoomed while in a fixed-size bounding box, then that looks like what I want to do. So far, the best solution I've seen is work the images each individually, export each one, and bring the resulting video back into the main project. I'd like to find a better way.

[Kevin-Monahan]

Nesting isn't faster, KM?

Thanks,
Kevin

[KMatthia]

Kevin, I tried nesting but did not achieve my objective. Perhaps I didn't do things in the right order. After nesting everything was the same. Are you aware of any tutorial that shows someone achieving what I'm trying to do. Conrad's demo above is very nice, but I don't yet know how to achieve it.

[KMatthia]

Conrad, how did you do this balloon trick? There should be something to be learned by looking at this project.

[MyerPj]

This new forum software removed the helpful Delete button we used to have, but you can  modify your post using the '...more' button:

[Conrad_C]

There’s no trick, it’s the same nested sequence principle we’ve been discussing. Each of the balloons is a still image aanimated within its own sequence, then added to the full frame sequence.

I will put together some kind of demo of it soon, when I have a little more time.

[Update: Christian_Z1 uploaded a demo that shows this very well, so now I don’t have to. Thank you Christian_Z1!]

[Ann Bens]

Drop a adjustment layer over the image and add the CROP effect.

now you can pan and zoom the image without disturbing the edges.

[KMatthia]

Again, I don't know Premier as well as Photoshop and InDesign. This suggestion doesn't seem to work because although the crop does stop the edges from zooming, it also applys to the video layer that's playing below the image.

Of course I tried crop on the track with the image on it. When I do that, the crop grows with the image rather than holding its starting position. If I add key frames to the crop, then I end up having to guess what the ending point should be in percentage points--almost not possible. If there were some way to just the crop from growing with the image scale, then it would work. Any ideas out there?

So far, exporting the image and then bringing it back in again seems to be the only thing that works at my skill level. My problem is that there are 100s of images I want to put above other video -- and each one has it's own aspect ratio and pixel size.

[Michael Grenadier]

if you'd like to attach a premiere project with  the appropriate image file with the behavior you'd like to correct, I'll see if nesting will solve the problem.  It should...  If I'm not clear on what I'd need, post back...

[KMatthia]

mg, I'm not sure that my file would make any difference to the answer. Look at Conrad C's video clip above in this thread. Any 10 second video video clip and any still image to put on top of it should do. Then zoom and pan the still image without changing its footprint. It seems there must be a simple way to do this. Either I'm not sure how to do a nest correctly or something else. When I apply a crop or a mask, they simply grow with the zoom, and continued to do the same after the nesting. It is possible I'm not doing the nesting correctly, but I haven't found any help or tutorial to help me with that.

[Michael Grenadier]

Will see what I can do tomorrow morning.

[KMatthia]

Thank you. I appreciate you and any help I can get. I a family historian and have been working on photos and publishing for many years. I've used InDesign and Photoshop to do books and a family website. Now I'm turning to 14 DVDs filled with digitized 16 and 8mm film and old home videos. I started a Mathia - Matthia Family website 25 years ago before Adobe even dreamt of Dreamweaver they had another program they acquired.

www.mathia.org

www.matthia.org