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Sherwood_Martinelli
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October 21, 2017
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Is the Adobe Stock Photo program a rip off for artists?

  • October 21, 2017
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So, have had six sales...one would think I should be excited...I am not.

Six sales each giving someone the right to use my image 500,000 times and I've not even made $4 yet...some sales have paid me as little as 35 cents, and my earnings on six sales is a meager $3.56   At this rate, I'll be dead and buried before I reach the $50 minimum required to get paid by Adobe Stock.  I loaded up 50 pics to give the service a try....I have over 50,000 images.

Is it just me, or are others not satisfied with the profits splits, and lack of sales that provide a modicum of pricing that lets artists earn a living.  I ask, as I also belong to Viewbug, and they are encouraging us to join Adobe Stock, and not sure doing so is in the best interests of those who are on Viewbug.

Correct answer MatHayward

I use the "Reasonable expectation of privacy rule...if I am shooting at say an outdoor festival, not going to carry around several hundred releases.   IF sites like Adobe want model releases where one is clearly not necessary, then they can reject my upload.


This is great feedback and I really appreciate the discussion. I will do my best to answer all of your questions. If I missed something please remind me and I'll respond asap. I am traveling this week (PPE in NYC..if you are there stop by and say hi!) so the responses will likely be slower than normal. My apologies in advance.

1.) Yes, the standard license does allow a print run of up to 500,000 copies. The cost for the license varies based on the number of images the customer commits to purchase. The more they buy, the less the cost is per individual download. Standard licenses range from $9.99 for a single download to $199.99 for 750 downloads. The commission for contributors is 33% of the price paid. There is a minimum payout in place for those large subscriptions where the individual download price is fairly low. Later I will share with you a link that has information about how payments are calculated and processed.

2.) How many photos does it take to be successful? I like to answer that question with a question..."How long is a piece of string?" I'm not being snarky it's just an impossible question to answer. It will of course vary based on the quality of the content, the relevancy to the current demands of customers and how effective the keywording is. It also depends on your definition of success as a stock photographer. If you are looking for some supplemental income to pay for some random camera gear every now and then you may be able to meet your goals with a small portfolio. There are contributors that upload a few pictures a year, they make a few bucks and they are cool with that. There are also those that look at shooting stock as a full time job, they are organized and strategic and upload thousands of solid stock images each year and they make significant income. The average contributor falls somewhere between that. I recommend new contributors set a goal of 1,000 unique images. Unique being the key word there..you can't submit hundreds of images of the same sunset and expect to see a significant financial windfall. Be intentional about shooting stock. Be selective and submit only the best of each shoot.

3.) We do have an "owners manual" so to speak. Our learn and support pages have recently been updated and will provide you with a thorough range of information: tagproducts_SG_STOCK-CONTRIBUTOR_i18nKeyHelppagetitle

In addition, I have created a series of videos that show my workflow in setting up a shoot, executing the shoot, editing, uploading, indexing and submitting. The videos can be seen in the following blog posts: 

From Shoot to Sale: Part 1 | Creative Cloud blog by Adobe

From Shoot to Sale: Part 2 | Creative Cloud blog by Adobe

14 replies

Participant
November 3, 2023

Just wait until you have nearly 1500 images approved, and are waiting multiple weeks for them to approve nearly 1200 more. I have been uploading for nearly 4 or 5 months now. It's absurd to think you can make any real money on this platform. It's designed take, not give. It's not designed to share at all. I've been using Adobe's software consistantly for over 13 years now. [moderator deleted offensive comment] I will soon be making a documentary about all of this. People deserve to understand how these corpses or corperations only exist to take. It's a beautiful time we are in where companies are now being created to rival their obvious monopoly. I gave this stock photography platform months. I've made $200 so far, and I sit waiting for half of my uploads to be approved. I can't imagine how anyone living could make any real money through this platform. I have done an exaustive amount of SEO, I have done research on the variable genre's, yet, I have my most popular images that still remain unapproved after 3 months.

Abambo
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 3, 2023
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Just wait until you have nearly 1500 images approved, and are waiting multiple weeks for them to approve nearly 1200 more. I have been uploading for nearly 4 or 5 months now. It's absurd to think you can make any real money on this platform. It's designed take, not give. It's not designed to share at all. I've been using Adobe's software consistantly for over 13 years now. [moderator deleted offensive comment] I will soon be making a documentary about all of this. People deserve to understand how these corpses or corperations only exist to take. It's a beautiful time we are in where companies are now being created to rival their obvious monopoly. I gave this stock photography platform months. I've made $200 so far, and I sit waiting for half of my uploads to be approved. I can't imagine how anyone living could make any real money through this platform. I have done an exaustive amount of SEO, I have done research on the variable genre's, yet, I have my most popular images that still remain unapproved after 3 months.


By @BrandonF01

What ever your problem is, you are forgetting that you get paid, so you are a supplier, not a customer. If you contribute to other platforms also, you know that the ROI is less than what Adobe pays. My top site in sales is Adobe, and my top site in payout per sale is Adobe. Could I make a living of my contributions: no. But my profile size is to small for that. 

 

BTW, given, that Adobe has the same number of moderators, but the moderation time increases, that means that more people are contributing. Is that good for you: probably not, but that means that it may be a good idea to do more.

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer
michaels53414785
Participant
October 12, 2023

I can't see how it could possibly pay enough to be worthwhile.  In fact I cancelled my account with Adobe Stock because of the very low payment per photo, and the minimum required to get paid ($50).  It would take a huge number of quality images and a lot of work to get anywhere.

Jill_C
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 12, 2023

Minimum payout is $25. The potential royalties are clearly communicated to Contributors and should not be a surprise. In fact, Adobe's royalties are more generous than most other stock sites. It's definitely not a get-rich-quick scheme. I think most contributors regard it as a "side hustle". In my case, it's a way to monetize some of the images that I'm already capturing on my travels.

Jill C., Forum Volunteer
RALPH_L
Community Expert
Community Expert
September 7, 2023

I think the artist is responsible for his profits. Not Adobe. Like Mat said, it is a numbers game.

Since starting ADOBE Stock, I have received a few thousand dollars, with no effort except keywording.

On my own website, I have earned less than a hundred dollars.

The days of earning good profits for photos is over. Sure there areb exceptions but unless, you are already known to a buyer or spend time in a art fair, forget it. 

I knew the rules of the game before I started uploading to Adobe Stock. I have the choice to play or leave. I choose to stay.

Participant
September 6, 2023

I'm just starting out, I'm a traditional photographer and videographer. I am also graphic designer, and I create graphics and I have been testing Adobe out as far as what it compares to the other stock photo companies online. It's been nearly three months now, and I'm documenting the entire process. I currently have a selection of 1088 photos for users to choose from. At this point I'll hold off on giving my opinion until I have all the analytics for the year. I must say, at this point I've sold 105 images, and the financials are definitely a bit underwhelming. I will hold off regarding the full analysis as I don't want to misjudge. It's something I thought people were saying they were making good doing, but at this point, I'm roughly around three months and it doesn't look good so far. 

Jill_C
Community Expert
Community Expert
September 6, 2023

It's a matter of expectations. Definitely NOT a get-rich-quick scheme. Many of us regard it as hobby income. Stock sales allows me to monetize my travel images which would otherwise languish unseen on my hard drives...

Jill C., Forum Volunteer
daniellei4510
Community Expert
Community Expert
September 6, 2023

I assume you meant "not" a get-rich-quick scheme. But me, too. I'm a retired photographer. I'm done lugging equipment around, dealing with models, having husband's calling me and giving me crap for photographing his wife in the nude so she could give him something for Valentine's Day. Talk to HER, not me1 AI keeps me busy in my retirement. If I make a sale, great. If not. I'm OK with that.

Adobe Community Expert | If you can't fix it, hide it; if you can't hide it, delete it.
Participating Frequently
October 6, 2020

I completely agree with you Sherwood_Martinelli 

A complete ripoff. I got 23 cents for a photo. 😄

 

I have used adobe images purchasing them. Payed 269 for 10 photos, I think it was. :D:D

I think I'll quit contributing to their library. Definitely not worth it. 

 

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margom62377211
Participant
July 15, 2019

For low volume (and really, perhaps all), professional photographers like me, it is indeed a rip off. It’s much worse and more exploitative than the dreaded “crowd sourcing” so many entities resort to for images and “content.” After what happened to me, I think all micro stock photography sites do it is give professional veneer and cover to businesses to take unfair advantage of professionals in creative positions. My story: I was contacted by an art buyer representing one of the biggest banks in the country requesting an artist statement. (They found me because my image and I weren't that hard to find - and I'm glad they did).  Turns out the bank went out and bought my image on AS and then had their art buyer hunt me down. I got paid pennies for an image that is blown up and museum quality framed in a bank lobby. And now if they want to, the same bank can go out do the same thing in every one of their banks in the country again if they want.  I didn't know this was allowed - selling my stock image as my ART as opposed for use in publicity materials (felt intentionally vague in TOU - which yes, I read.) I think we all know that if it was clear, most professional photographers would never agree to be taken advantage of this way. Then imagine my shock when with a little investigation I discovered that on the AS client side website they (Adobe) promotes the heck out of this right being for sale.  At the time I wrote Adobe contributor support and got a very nice note back where the representative sounded sympathetic and said she would pass my concerns on to the “legal team”. Just recently on the year anniversary of the incident. I followed up to see if anything ever came of it, and after a month I’m still waiting to hear back. Was anything changed?

Abambo
Community Expert
Community Expert
July 15, 2019

Microstock is about masses and not low volume. And it is about craft and not art. You take pictures of a model, let it sign the model release take 100 pictures different poses, different situations and post them to different stock sites. Post around 1000 pictures a month and and you start getting a small income of that.

or do as I do:

I take pictures not for stock but when I have used them for whatever I've taken them and I do not have given an exclusive license​ I load them to stock as soon as I think that time is good for that.

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer
Daluz
Participant
May 20, 2022

Just waiting for have the amazing 25 bucks to get paid to take all my videos of this Adobe Stock Scam. They sell my videos for 200 hundred and just give me 4 dolars.

magdalenah57428415
Participating Frequently
October 27, 2018

Interesting Discussion. For myself speaking, I can say AS is not a Rip Off. I love taking pictures, i have always seen it as kind of documentary. And only a very little part of my images is commercial enough for sale. I have some cattle and agricultural images in my port and i personnaly dont like it when animals look like plastic toys on an extremely green meadow under an even brighter blue sky.  Cows look like what they look like: they have dirty knees, snot on their nose and sometimes po.op at their tails. Here i can just submit those images without much work. And i have sold some of these images.

Same is for illustrations. AS has never asked me for a photo reference for an illustration of a duck or something. And i hope they never start this.

So i just fill the database with those images i made anyway along the way.

I am not that kind of person that squeezes every aspect of life into frame for microstock.

ChromaQueen
Participant
October 27, 2018

Mat Hayward is a fantastic ambassador for Adobe Stock. I heard him speak at PhotoPlus 2018. For about 5 minutes I was falling for the "volume" pitch of microstock. Here's a well-written article about the reality of the numbers game. The comments are well worth the time to read as well.  https://petapixel.com/2017/12/11/sold-photo-adobe-stock-earned-pennies/#disqus_thread

alicjag
Participant
April 26, 2018

I found this discussion very interesting and decided to give some of my thoughts to this topic.

In my opinion, there are two types of photographers in general.

The first one is the photographer as a person providing a service and the other one is the photographer as the artist.

Of course sometimes one person can be both.

I think, a hobby photographer is most of the time the artist type. He/She consider his/her images as a work of art. A hobby photographer values his pictures much higher. He makes often unique pictures and do not have many of them unlike a service photographer. Because of that it hurts a hobby photographer to see his pictures sold at this low price.

A service photographer has more options and possibilities to “produce” many, many pictures. He has better equipment, a studio, he has a network, and he can easily book a model for a photo session and “produce” pictures. So for service photographer there is no problem to have thousands of images in his portfolio.

I’ve joined as a contributor today. I wanted to test, if my images will get some attention at all.

I’m a realist, so I know it won’t be easy or I get disappointed very quickly.

By reading some of the posts here in the contributor forum the spark of enthusiasm is rather fading. But if I don’t try, I will never know.

The other topic is the amount of rejected images. Adobe Stock seems to me more restrictive in comparison to other agencies. The pictures needs to be all perfect, sharp, with no grain and with correct exposure.  But sometimes the imperfection is making a picture interesting, is making it a work of art. So, I’m not sure if stock agencies are really the right place for hobby artists.

Or if you look at the “produced” like in a factory pictures of those “happy, smiling people”.

These are mainstream pictures to me with no value. They are perfect, from the technical and photographic point of view. But there is no soul in those pictures.

The problem is, the customers out there want such pictures today, and they want them for a lowest price possible.

thomas_foldes
Participant
January 30, 2018

Adobe is microstock like other sites and it's a numbers game. You need a quality portfolio of varied subjects in significant enough quantity to determine your return per image (RPI) and download (RPD) before you really judge/project potential earnings. For me, 1000 plus images (populated for a year) was my benchmark quantity to determine RPI, RPD, and site viability. As a bonus, that also set my upload target based on what I need submitted and accepted to estimate earnings per year. Again, it's only an estimate, but over the course of a year it's generally pretty close. Don't get discouraged at the beginning- microstock is a marathon not a sprint and IMHO... You have to upload small batches multiple times every week. As an example, after reviewing last year- my goal is 100 new images a week 20 uploads per day. It's the long game and there is no quick money to be made here, but it is what it is.