Re: Text in tables not aligned after exporting to ...

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 27, 2025

I did. Still happened no matter what font, but as said, inconsistently depending on what PDF preset was used In any case, I exported the file as EPS and opened it in illustrator and it was perfect. All the text rows had the exact same starting X coordinate, which would be the case on a monospaced font. However, the same file saved as PDF opened in Illustrator, only the first row started at the proper X coordinate and then each row was off by approximately .118 pt untill it snapped back to the proper X coordinate.

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 26, 2025

Interesting. I'm seeing the same issue. It seems like that each row is just a hairline shifted to the right cumulatively until the near the end where it snaps back to where it should be. I see nothng in the file that would do that. I did however notice that doesn't happen if you use certain PDF export presets, e.g the "High Quality" PDF preset doesn't but the "Press Quality" does it, and there's really no difference between the two. I tried different levels of compatibility and compliance and it was all over the place. Also, if I copy JUST the table into a new document, it behaves properly. I also created a brand new table in a new document with the same dimiensions and specs as yours and it works fine. Saving as IDML and reopening had no effect. Gremlins.

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 25, 2025

The loading of Adobe Fonts on another's system is not automatic unless you want it to be. InDesign (and Illustrator) both have an option to Auto-activate Adobe Fonts in their Preferences (under File Handling), so you opening the other designer's file should find and activate the fonts in the document (assuming you have an active internet connection, of course). I personally prefer to leave this off as it CAN be troublesome. e.g.: if you happen to have, say, a Google fonts version of the same family installed on your computer, and Indesign attempts to load the Adobe Fonts version at the same time, this will really confuse and mess up your font caches.

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 24, 2025

This sounds like a hinting/text smoothing issue. Check your Acrobat Preferences under Page Display, re: Text Smoothing Even so, it also depends on the resolution of your particular monitor how well these settings apply. As for 3rd party viewers/browsers, you are at their mercy as to how they render the fonts and any hinting designed in them. In my example here, the difference between "None" (left), or On (middle and right. in my case I have it set for "Monitor"), but the middle one is on my standard monitor, and the right one is on my iMac Retina screen, with widely better results. (btw: The reason it was asked about converting to outlines is because, in doing so, you eliminate any font hints, which can make outlined text look bolder at smaller zooms, especially on standard low pitch monitors)

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 22, 2025

I just started getting them today. Like you, all my apps are definitely legitimate. I went to my Adobe Account and there's a warning that they are currently doing system maintenance so I'm wondering if a glitch in that process has affected AGS?

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 22, 2025

"You know, we both have been in prepress for so long" me too! "So, it appears that the customer or someone translated it from PS to OTF. " Probably. AG Old Face did not end up The OpenType versions of Font Folio (probably because it was part of the Berthold Exklusivs packages). The Font Folio were pretty simple conversions to OpenType (with the added "Std" in the name) so had the same glyphs and encoding making them exact matches except for the new name. Some did minor tweas like add the Euro symbol, etc. The current OpenType version of AG Old Face has Pro in its name, as well as the expanded character sets. Depending on what program they used to convert, the font "should" be okay, as technically Type 1 and OpenType PS flavour outlines are identical, and will embed in PDF exactly the same. It's only if they were saved as OpenType TT where things change (all new TT hintings, etc.). Also, as a prepress guy, I make sure I have the older versions of InDesign and Illustrator around to handle any Type 1-centric legacy files! 😉

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 21, 2025

Harfbuzz has nothing to do with this.

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 21, 2025

So, this is what's happening: Before CC2025, if you open a file that uses Type 1 fonts (which AG Old Face is), they would show as missing in the manner you have known so far. CC2025 does things a bit differently. When you open an .AI file, if the fonts are either missing from the System, or Type 1, it will pull the outlines from the PDF portion of the .AI file (as they are embedded in the file after all), much like how it works when viewing a PDF in Acrobat. This is why it says "PREVIEW". You can make a PDF of the file at this point and these will carry over. What you CAN'T do (just as in Acrobat), is edit the files in any way unless those fonts are available in the System. If you attempt to do so, it will warn you and replace them with the default font. And since they are Type 1, you wouldn't be able to anyway. This is also why if you place an .AI file in InDesign, it works as it's using the embedded outlines in the .AI file. What you may want to do is uncheck the box that says "Don't Show" so when you open the file it will bring this to your attention. But now that you know this, you can watch for it going forward. Also: not sure why you didn't just get your client to send you another PDF, nor why you didn't have the client approve a proof.

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 21, 2025

Sorry to say, but you are out of luck even if you were able to get installers. Those old versions will not run on your System.

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 17, 2025

btw: It's never a waste of time to learn how to do things! 🙂

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 17, 2025

PDFs on the website are a great source. In this case, I extracted it from their main catalogue available there.

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 17, 2025

The font is Niveau Niveau Grotesk Light, stretched horizonatlly to 134% (give or take) That being said, as an FYI, the logo is available in vector in several places on the Plastral website. I think you're making unnecessary work for yourself. Here it is. Pantone 3395, btw

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 16, 2025

Your files are all fine here. I'm using the current Acrobat 25.001.20458 (Mac). What's your system/versions? That being said, the mesh shadow with the Multiply effect does NOT render in some browsers, e.g. Firefox doesn't process them for me here, which is typical of some third-party PDF viewers. From a production standpoint, your PDFs are good, but if you want something that won't be problematic for the web and other low-quality PDF viewers, you might select a flattening export preset instead to flatten the meshes. As for why your Acrobat isn't showing it correctly is weird. I don't know of any particular setting in Preferences that would interfere, so your install may be compromised somehow.

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 14, 2025

Note: The current version of InDesign (CC2025 v20) has been upgraded to generate v3.0 vCard QR codes. This should solve the character issue going forward.

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 12, 2025

I just loaded the M277 PCL driver (windows 10) and am not getting the same issues on a test file (v29.4), whether the document is Untagged or not, so not sure what's different, except for the fact you are accessing the printer as a shared Network printer. I can't test Win 11 right now. I'm wondering if using the Postscript driver for this model would help (the M277 does have PS so there's a Universal PS Driver available for it).

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 12, 2025

Yes, Turn off "Scale Stroke and Effects" in Preferences > General. Alternatively, if you use the Scale Tool, you can selectively turn this on/off on a case by case basis. The more you get to know the program, you will learn what the best approach is for your purposes.

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 10, 2025

"You're telling me I can't set the PPI on illustrator that's crazy. Why do we pay so much money for an app that can't do custom resolution?" You're not understanding how this works. You DON'T set a custom resolution. If you have a document that's 350 x 100 pixels, and that's the final size of the image you require, you MUST export it at 72. That gives you a 1-to-1 pixel-to-pixel export. If you set anything higher, you will proprortionally increase the final pixel dimensions, which is not what you want. sooo, exporting at 150 will give you 150/72 (or 2.0833 X) so you will get an image that's 730 x 208 (nearest integer). Exporting at 300 will give you 300/72 (or 4.1666 X) resulting in an image that's 1459 x 417.

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 10, 2025

If you don't have the images separately and need them, I can extract them from the PM file for you (InDesign can only convert the low-res image previews). I have made a high-res PDF of the existing PM file; which is useful for comparison to tweak the layout of the InDesign file...

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 07, 2025

Yeah, this is not the same as tiling a poster. It's printing only the one page you would get relative to the top left corner. (conversely. when you select Auto (normally) it centers it on the printable area). Do you have either InDesign or Illustrator? If so, you can Place your PDF on a new document of the size you want and use their print tiling functions.

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 07, 2025

"I'm on version Mac Sequoia 15.4 (Not sure that's relevant but maybe! x P" Yup. Apple (not Adobe) removed a necessary component (PSNormalizer, which handled Postscript code) from the System in OS's newer than Ventura, so poster printing is no longer available to non-Postscript printers in Sonoma and Sequoia. What program did you use to create the PDF?

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 07, 2025

You can simply delete the duplicate tags in Acrobat if that works better for you, instead of Artifacting them.

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 07, 2025

What helps immensely with booklet printing is to set a Print Preset for your booklet page size. There, you can set all your options ahead of time (including the Print Blank Pages option). Then when you go to Print Booklet, you select that Print Preset. Here is an example for my own printer (which is Postscript-based so the available options for your own printer will be different. This is assuming in your situation that you are not printing bleeds or printer's marks. If you are printing to a non-Postscript printer, a better quality might be achieved by saving the Booklet as a PDF, but that's not as easy as it should be (especially on a Mac), but only a couple of extra steps which we can go into later.

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 06, 2025

Strokes and fills on text are constructed as separate items in an output file (either a print file or PDF) out of necessity. i.e. Postscript/PDF code has no capacity to do both at once on the same path. You can see this if you open your PDF in Illustrator; you will find the separate instances; one for the fill and one for the stroke. Since InDesign can't know what your intent is, I think it tags all of it. Not sure of anyway around this. btw: I've never seen an effect be tagged so are you sure that's happening? I might do a test later to see.

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 05, 2025

If you are below Mac Sonoma, when you say you unchecked Print as Image, did it still show as Custom at top left? If so, reset to Acrobat Default and see if that changes anything. However, if you are at Mac Sonoma or above, Apple removed a component that was necessary to allow poster printing, so it is no longer available.

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 03, 2025

If you have "Use Typographer's Quotes" turned on in preferences, InDesign will process a "dumb quote" (i.e the inch marks) to “smart quote” based on the language assigned to the paragraph, whether it's typed or sometimes when it's pasted. If you use the actual key command for a proper quotation mark (e.g. Opt-[ for a “, Shft-Opt-[ for a ”, Opt-\ for a «, and Shft-Opt-\ for a ») will make sure your get what you want. Use these in your Find and Replace if you want to change them that way.

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 03, 2025

Glad you worked it out!

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 03, 2025

"they also say that they are linked to the Pasteboard rather than the page that they are on." This might be a cropping issue. You might have accidentally moved your image within the graphic frame using the direct select tool, so the contents of your graphic frame moved onto the PB, but the actual frame stayed on the page.. What happens if you, say, use the center command on that frame/ (Fitting > Center Content)

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 02, 2025

@Udaraua : Lots of factors here, but basically yes if the fonts and graphics are available. The file would have to be inspected first before a definitive answer can be given.

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Apr 01, 2025

Try this instead: Since you have your stroked type on a separate layer, convert your stroked type to outine. Change the sroke to "align to outside" and reduce the width to half of what it was when it was centered. Set your fill to the same colour as the stroke. Expand Appearance. Then use Pathfinder to Unite all the shapes. You should now have one shape with no "holes". It would be nice if you were able to "align to outside" a stroke on live type, but you cannot as far as I can see.

Brad @ Roaring Mouse · ‎Mar 31, 2025

As suggested, you will have to change stroke to an offset, or manually deleting the extra "holes" What is happening is your stroke is bigger than the object it's applied to, and strokes are centered on the path, so while half the stroke is going outward, the other half is going inward. In the case of the "dot" it's going past the edge of the dot in the opposite direction, and this path is being drawn in the opposite direction (due to a thing called winding direction) so it's essentially cutting a hole. There's no "fix" for it per se. That being said, this phenonemon mostly affects curves, especially those in a compound path like a font letterform, but its not limited to that.

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