DocPixel-BMW wrote: ..... the only thing I can think of that would work is, after 24-months you can cancel and own the program... or 36 months the suite. .... IF that is implemented, yes it would suffice. But that's a mighty big IF. I can't won't even use the CC versions for a single day unless this is clearly written and explained so there is viable recourse should Adobe offer this, then backtrack later as they did during the sales of the CS6 perpetual licenses I posted about above. As for raw files... all my files are raw. Everything is either exported for web, ui, or placed into indesign. I don't create outdated .eps files or backsave to CS2 anymore. But I do, on ocassion recieve a CS3, CS4, CS5 file from a client who wants the same version sent back to them. I don't anticipate that happening as often. But it will happen. Adobe stating select builds of CC would be made available solved that. IF they stick to it. My main issue with the no pay no play aspect is retirement or some unforseen issue down the road. If I buy into the CC subscription and use it for 2 years or more I will have litterally hundreds if not thousands of files. Asking users to forsee issues and then go and back-save every file to an older perpetual license version has three major issues: Requires art to be altered so you technically won't ever have the original files again (or at least not access to the original art). In addition, apps such as Indesign only back-save one version. If Indesign CC gets to what constitutes as CC10... am I expected to back-save step by step all the way to CC1 then one more time to CS6? How much alteration from the original file is this going to create? It can take weeks if not months to scour file systems in order to find every possible Photoshop, Indesign, Illustrator, Fireworks, After Effects, Premier, etc file and back save it. This increases exponentially if back-saving takes more than one step. What if the Operating Systems get major upgrades and CS6 no longer runs? Am I left without a viable non-subscription tool I can use then? If the OS doesn't support CS6, then no amount of back-saving is going to help. So if this were to happen I must not only deal with items 1 and 2, but I must also deal with the set up and maintenance of an outdeted system just to support my files. Back-saving on the fly is not an option. See item 1 above. This is an unacceptable issue. I'm not of mind to simply "trust" that Adobe will do right by this. It is in their interest to keep me feeding at the CC teet as long as they can. It would seem, they feel holding me, or rather my files, hostage is their current solution. My business does not operate in a bubble. I require my tools to be accessable in any situation under any number of circumstances. This is why I purchased my tools to begin with - to allow my busines the flexibility to operate how it needs to. By being forced into a one-direction path which ends abruputly in a dead end, I am being asked to forsee a day when my business dies and I no longer need any of the tools I've spend so much money and time investing in. Adobe is asking me to support their new business model while at the same time ruining mine. As I see it the best, most profitable and viable solution for both Adobe and its users it to offer a perpetual licnese buy out for the Creative Cloud. So when a user wishes, then can purchase a perpetual lincense for the currect CC version and maintain that as a stand-alone product. Basically, the same sales model CS6 was sold under. But actually provide the new features with the next upgrade option. If Adobe doesn't want to deal with packaging and shipping, fine. Offer it as a download only, but offer it.
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