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Nedlaw
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Nedlaw
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‎Dec 17, 2019
10:48 AM
I am working with a long doc of single pages. One graphic demands a spread because of size. Oddly, I have done this before and remember there was a particular, non-intuitive, technique for dragging the single pages to make the spread. Here is the initial setup. Master page I is the format for the spread (p43 & 44 in the image). I am attempting to drag the second "I" page to the right-hand side of the first "I" page, but it will not "stick." What I want to do is creat a two-page spread, like this, done in the same template: I have my Pages menu set up to allow shuffling: I vaguely recall there was some weirdness to the technique -- dragging the second page to the number of the preceding page, but not on top of the page or next to it, or something like that (obviously, I don't recall, or I would have done it). It was tricky. I do recall that I did not have to turn the whole document into a facing-pages document. I only want the one spread in the one location. Any how-to advice would be appreciated. -j
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‎Dec 16, 2019
03:52 PM
Resolved, but still puzzled. One of the red lights was a legitimate 404 -- how and why it worked previously when I copied and pasted it into the address bar of the browser, I cannot answer. A revised link from the client solved the problem. The other -- a link to a page on the client's own website -- was resolved when I retyped the link into ID's Hyperlink dialog box. As far as I can tell, the new link I typed was exactly like the old link that I had also typed (not copy/pasted). Now it seems to work. So as I say... resolved but puzzled. My suggestion to myself and others is to try copy/pasting a link first... but if it doesn't immediately work, then try typing it in. This will avoid invisble characters that might have been added by the document where you obtained the link.
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‎Dec 16, 2019
01:48 PM
I can try to recreate it in anothner file. I've asked in the past, and the client is NOT WILLING to have me post work in progress...
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‎Dec 16, 2019
01:27 PM
The text in the ID document certainly breaks across a line in one case, but the https:// link text that it calls when clicked appears as a single line in the ID Hyperlink dialog box. It's not like the link appears in the text of the document -- only in the Hyperlink dialog.
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‎Dec 16, 2019
01:00 PM
What an interesting idea. Just tried the PDF test -- and the link produces a 404 (Page not found) at the correct web site. So: it gets me to the right web site, but the link doesn't resolve to the right page... and yet, when pasted into a browser, it does. Something is wrong with my link, obviously. Thanks for the tip, but no resolution yet.
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‎Dec 16, 2019
11:42 AM
I am creating an ID document that includes hyperlinks. Some hyperlinks connect to the client's own corporate site, and some connect to US government (public) sites. Of five links (four corporate and one government), InDesign gives me a red light on one corporate and one government site. I have been to both URLs in a browser (no special passwords required) and both sites are up and working. Other corporate sites respond with a green light, one does not. This may be because of the way ID looks up its DNS entries... but maybe not. I have carefully looked at the URLs, even copying them from the browser address bar and pasting them into the InDesign hyperlink dialog. I've checked for oddball characters, leading and trailing spaces. I'm at a loss. Two of the five URLs work in a browser, but do not work in InDesign. Is this a known bug? Thanks for any help. -j
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‎Dec 05, 2019
11:03 AM
Thanks for the offer, Dov. We may have crossed paths long ago -- I worked on the PLRM (Redbook) with Ed Taft. Unfortunately I'm prevented from posting files or even sending files privately by an NDA. However, I can say that after setting the Output Destination in InDesign to Document RGB, the tester in the field reported that it printed well on the Fedex printers. There is a lot of Pantone in the file (specified by the client), and I think the mix of Pantone, RGB and CMYK graphics -- and Pantone text -- bollixed the printing. Again, I had no problems, a co-worker had no problem, but one consultant (and Fedex) did... but we have no control over how they have their printers set up. Making everything RGB _seems_ to have solved the problem. Fingers crossed. I will try PDF/X-4 as you suggest. Thanks again.
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‎Dec 03, 2019
07:21 PM
Hi... I'm producing PDF documents for a client. They want to offer them for download and expect people to print the documents on office-level printers. However, on some printers these documents print just fine, while on others (including at Fedex/Kinko) text is faint gray or invisible and alternating row tints in tables may or may not print at all. While print-as-image works, the client feels (correctly, I think) that this won't do for customers who may want to run off a copy without fiddling with their printer settings (and in some offices they may not be able to change those settings from their desks). From both InDesign 14.x and 15.01 I have produced PDFs compatible with Acrobat 5.x, 7.x, and PDF/X-1a (so far), with Create Acrobat Layers both turned on and turned off. On my own printers -- an ancient Laserjet 4M Postscript and Color Laserjet 3600, everything prints well (although print-as-grayscale works best on the 4M). On a co-workers inkjet, there is no issue. On the client's printer (unknown and not under my control) the CMYK text barely prints at all; when the client turned to the experts at Fedex/Kinko's, they got no text. Graphics seem to print well in all cases, with the exception of the alternating-row tables, which didn't show a tint. In the original ID files, text is the top layer. I am at a loss, and am pretty much at the stage of randomly trying different Acrobat settings at random. I have tried flattening the PDF and this apparently has no result (I can't test, because on my printers, everything works). Anyone have any advice on what to try? I've searched the forum, and while some people have reported PDF printing problems, no one seems to have reported anything like this. Thanks.
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‎Oct 24, 2019
11:01 AM
So: I need two styles in the body of the document, a Figure style for single-digit numbers that includes a figure space in front, and a Figure style for numbers 10 and above that does not include a figure space in front, but instead includes a standard space. These styles must be applied in the body of the document becasue the TOF style defined for the table uses the Figure style without further modification. Would this approach not defeat the purpose of autonumbering? Now I have to keep track of the figures from 1-9 in case I insert another graphic, and then re-style the 10th graphic.... It was my understanding from the previous thread (wrong, as it turns out) that including the figure space somehow triggered the use of alternative mono-spaced numbers. I see no clear way of forcing the use of monospaced numbers in the Figure style definition. I'm beginning to think this is more effort than it's worth... Thanks everyone.
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‎Oct 24, 2019
08:48 AM
I must be leaving something out. I added the figure space -- The definition looks like: Figure^/^#:^t. I am kerning by metrics - not optical. Here is what the output of the TOF looks like: This is still not lining up on the colon. What am I missing here? Thanks.
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‎Oct 24, 2019
08:39 AM
Thank you -- was just about to ask how I triggered the correct variant. I understand from your post that by entering Figure<figurespace>^# then the monospaced glyph will be inserted for the number.
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‎Oct 23, 2019
04:57 PM
An excellent suggestion.... However, the client's corporate branding requires the Gotham font. I've just checked the glyphs panel for that font, and the bold variety (at least) doesn't include monospaced characters. Good idea, though. Thanks.
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‎Oct 23, 2019
01:08 PM
This is not about right-aligning page numbers, but right-aligning the figure numbers in a table of figures. For example, this is what I get. The numbers left-align with a space between the "Figure" and the <number>. I have a meticulous client who expects the list of figures to line up on the colon (:), thus producing a variable space between "Figure" and <number>. I can get the text of the caption to line up properly, and I can get the second line of a long caption to line up properly under the first line. What I can't seem to do is get the numbers/colons to right-align. In the body of the document, here is my definition for a figure caption (there are two -- one for starting the series and one for continuing the series, but other than that they are the same): In the number field, I have Figure<space>^#:^t -- which produces "Figure<space>9:<tab>Make sure..." As shown in the image, I have tried to insert a tab between "Figure" and ^# both manually and from the pulldown -- but InDesign displays an error that tells me this is not permitted. Here is the paragraph definition for the Table of Figures: There does not seem to be any way to insert a tab here, either. Simply setting a tab in either definition doesn't do the trick if I can't put the tab character in the numbering of the figures -- except at the end where ID permits it. I have told my client that I can't do this because of an InDesign limitation... and they are not particularly gruntled, but they've let it pass. It bothers me that I can't put a right-tab between Figure and <number> and have those numbers right-align in the table. After all, I could do this if I were setting type by hand, or pasting it up with a waxer. Is there any other solution to getting the figure numbers to right-align? Thanks.
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‎Oct 18, 2019
03:42 PM
Thanks. I see your included image, but I now have my browser spread across two 4K monitors, and no "Correct Answer" button appears next to the +Follow item. I'm using Chrome on a PC. Maybe that's the problem.
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‎Oct 18, 2019
03:21 PM
[Filter: filter notify] Nedlaw's post body matched "poof", board "indesign".
Post Subject: Re: Hi Nedlaw: In my experience, when a TOC (or LOT or LOF) w...
Post Body: These posts are all correct, although Barb's answer is the most immediately correct. Since the TOF would work in the body file, I copied the TOF style definitions into the cover file (rather than try to analyze them) and >POOF< it was working.
I would mark Barb's answer as correct, but I don't see that functionality in the new forum format. I know it exists... I just can't find it.
Thanks to everyone.
Body text "POOF" matched filter pattern "poof".
Post by User[id=8706252,login=Nedlaw] has message uid 10679537.
Link to post: Re: Hi Nedlaw: In my experience, when a TOC (or LOT or LOF) w...
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‎Oct 18, 2019
03:21 PM
These posts are all correct, although Barb's answer is the most immediately correct. Since the TOF would work in the body file, I copied the TOF style definitions into the cover file (rather than try to analyze them) and >POOF< it was working. I would mark Barb's answer as correct, but I don't see that functionality in the new forum format. I know it exists... I just can't find it. Thanks to everyone.
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‎Oct 18, 2019
01:44 PM
Hi. I have a relatively short (15-page) document for which the client wants a TOC and a Table of Figures. I have done this before in another document for the same client, and I am using the TOC and TOF definitions that were successful in that doc. (Anything can happen, though...) There are three doc files in the book: cover, body, and back cover. TOC and TOF are generated in the cover file. All documents are open in the book at the time of generation. Both TOC and TOF definitions (images below) specify using the files in the book. All paragraph styles referenced a) are present and b) have the same definitions in all three files. The TOC generates just fine, exactly as expected. The TOF generates its head (Table of Figures) appropriately, but does not produce any items under that. I am sure I'm missing some important setting, but don't know what it might be. The TOF will generate properly in the body file (but not in the cover file). Simply copying the generated TOF from the body file to the cover file kills the hyperlinks when I create a PDF. As I said, these same TOC/TOF definitions worked in a previous document that also spanned a cover, body, back setup. Any advice appreciated.   
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‎Sep 25, 2019
11:23 AM
This was a subtle, but ham-handed error. When ID creates a new page, it fills the margins with text box automatically. However, my high-concept text box is indented .25 inches from the left margin (don't ask). Thus, when ID creates the next text box everything moves over. The correct solution (and there is time for me to implement it) is to readjust the left margin so that it is .25 indented to where I want it, and then readjust the two or three paragraph definitions that currently matter so that they look the same as I want them to look, but conform to that automatic text box creation by ID. I discovered this by showing text threads and finding out that ID had two super-imposed text boxes: the one it created automatically and the one I placed on the page. The text was going into the automatic box, apparently. The green layer lines were very faint, so difficult to distinguish on the big 4K monitor. Thanks to everyone. Not a bug, but I was not dealing correctly with the product.
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‎Sep 25, 2019
10:50 AM
I have a book with multiple chapters and multiple files for each chapter (they're long chapters). At the beginning of chapter one, I have a text variable called <chapter_name> that picks up the contents of the Chapter_Name paragraph. This works great when the chapter is contained in one file. When the chapter includes two files, however, and even though the second file of the chapter contains the same <chapter_name> text variable set to first use, that second file does not pick up the chapter name even though the files come one after the other in the book file and there is only one Chapter_Name paragraph (in file 1). Obviously, I am doing something wrong. Is the correct solution to restate the chapter name in file 2 (perhaps in an invisble paragraph, which frankly seems a kludge?) or is the scope of a text variable that takes its contents from a paragrah limited to only one file? What I expected was to set the <chapter_name> variable from the contents of the chapter name paragraph in file 1 and have subsequent files in the book pick it up until a new chapter name paragraph appeared. This doesn't seem to be the way variables work when they take their contents from the contents of a defined paragraph. Thanks for any help and clarification.
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‎Sep 25, 2019
10:20 AM
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Thanks... but I've done major surgery on the original file, trying to make things work. I've separated the introductory material from the table section, and now the table works. But it's left me with an unsolved problem (and created a different one that I won't bore you with). Yes, I'd be happy to send you the original file, but I didn't save it -- just separated the two parts. My bad. There isn't much in the first part, but there IS an anchored frame, although I have had anchored frames before tables previously. Doing more experimentation and diagnosis. Next step: not a new file, but separating the text stream, so that the pages continue, but the text block restarts. I will post any results. Thanks to all for your help. This has been a real bug.
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‎Sep 25, 2019
09:22 AM
That's a good differential diagnosis technique. I sort of cut the Gordian Knot -- I separated the first part of the document from the section with the table, and the table APPEARS to be working correctly. What in the first few pages of the document resulted in the table offsetting on the next page? I don't know yet. I do have to get to the bottom of this, because there are going to be many more tables like this in this project, and they can't each be in their own file.
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‎Sep 24, 2019
09:18 PM
You ask "What am I missing?" Boy, I'm asking the same question. Anna_Lander asked me to produce a simplified file (a couple of pages). I did that and posted it -- I deleted several pages that came before the table, and several that came after it. I deleted text and graphics. SOMETHING that I deleted was causing the problem, because -- just as you saw -- the sample file works perfectly. But my source file, that still contains all the text and graphics and pages that I deleted? That does NOT work perfectly. Just as in my original post, when the table is extended to the second page, it indents .25 inches. Something I got rid of is causing the problem... and I can't (yet) figure out what.
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‎Sep 24, 2019
05:01 PM
And more interesting: I deleted the table, made sure my text block was as I wanted it, then re-inserted a new table... and it's offsetting Exactly as described.
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‎Sep 24, 2019
04:54 PM
Even more interesting: The file I sent you behaves 100% as expected. My working file, however -- that still includes the material I deleted -- behaves in the odd way of offsetting the table on p2. The problem is not apparently the size of the graphic. Something else odd is going on.
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‎Sep 24, 2019
04:47 PM
Interesting.... once I took out the graphics, the table lines up correctly on subsequent pages.
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‎Sep 24, 2019
04:42 PM
Okay. Will try to attach them -- the new format in the forum makes it clumsy to reply and attach anything, but I will try. Appreciate any help. -j
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‎Sep 24, 2019
01:38 PM
Actually, this is not readily doable. Too much formatting, too much material on the master pages. It would be like re-laying it out. I appreciate the help... but...
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‎Sep 24, 2019
01:30 PM
Will do. This may take a short while. I appreciate any help, Anna_Lander.
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‎Sep 24, 2019
01:06 PM
The alignment of the paragraph is left with a .25 first-line indent. There is no spine. The document is a series of single pages. There is a "gutter" in the middle to divide the left column of table from the right, but not a true column gutter. (as in a 2-col layout). I confess I'm mystified. I've used variations on this template before and not had a table do this when crossing page boundaries.
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‎Sep 24, 2019
12:27 PM
Hi. I'm seeing an unwanted inset or shift to the right on a table that crosses page boundaries. I've played with the paragraph defintion on which the table sits (removing its first-line indent), but while that fixes page 2, it changes the inset of page 1. I haven't run into this before with tables; their insets have always behaved well across page boundaries. Looking for insight and help straightening this out. Background: I'm developing a layout per client's request in the form of a table on a landscape page. The table has numbered instructions in the left column, a "gutter" column in the middle, and a right-hand column for a screenshot. The general layout of the table is like this: Of course, the big graphics allow only one or two rows on a page. The graphics push the table rows on to subsequent pages. The guides arrangement is a little complex. Here is an annotated diagram: What happens is that when all table rows fit on page 1 (before inserting a bunch of graphics) the cells of the table line up as expected. When ID moves rows to page 2, the table is indented .25 inch and I can't seem to reposition it. The paragraph definition the table sits on uses a .25" first line indent. When this is removed, page 2 lines up appropriately -- but returning to page 1, the table is now out-dented to the left by .25". It seems that either I can have an as-designed alignment on page 1 or an as-designed alignment on page 2, but not both at the same time. Here is the change that occurs when the second row of the table is sent across the page boundary: I have not run into this previously. When tables have extended across page boundaries for me in the past, they have adopted the same alignment -- and they have been carried by the same paragraph definition I'm using here. Both page 1 and page 2 use the same master with the same guides and the same paragraph and text-column definitions. Afraid I'm mystified. Thanks for any help.
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