Threading the head into the following text did the trick. I will mark your last post the answer. However: I worried that the following text would be affected, and it was. Now I have to straighten that formatting out... but at least that's straightforward. Thanks again. -j ... View more

Sure seems to. All I wanted to do was to show/not show this head. (The green bar is Okay where it is.) I will try threading this head into the story and see whether that give me the result I need -- although I don't want the following story to "mount" into the green bar. The alternative is Head/No Head. We'll see what happens. Thanks much for your quick attention. Many knowledgeable folks hang out on the forum! ... View more

Not a table cell. ... View more

The text is in its own frame at the top of a page. ... View more

Result of 4-clicking the paragraph: No joy. BTW, this is not in a linked frame (though I don't think it should matter) so that is not a paragraph mark at the end but a story mark. I have tried to select the paragraph in the story editor, but that numbered part -- section 9 -- doesn't even appear there. ... View more

Perhaps I am missing some type of technique, here. I have double-clicked the paragraph. I have tried to draw the cursor from the far left ("Section 9:") all the way through to the # marker. ID does not seem to want to let me select the numberered portion or the # at the end of the paragraph. I would like to select the whole paragraph -- from numbered section to # mark. But not having much luck. Suggestions? ... View more

Direct-selecting the two bottom corners with shift-click (or a top-and-bottom corner) did the trick. With all respect to Adobe, this is unlike any other program I've ever used (including PhotoShop and InDesign), where you can click one corner and optionally constrain the bounding box with an auxiliary key such as shift, control, or alt. Admittedly I'm a newbie to AI (though I've used ID and PS for 20 years). I'm marking Bill's response as the correct answer. There may be others, but this does the trick. BTW I was showing the bounding box, and did "try the black arrow," but no joy. ... View more

Sorry for the long response delay. Jane-e's was an insightful suggestion and very helpful. I found that -- even though the previous page did not show any overset text -- by looking at the text in story editor, I was able to see that some body paragraphs had been erroneously tagged with the head_1_appendix style. (Who knows how?) When I changed the paragraph tags of the invisible yet "overset grafs" to standard paragraph... and reset the text variable definition to running_head/paragraph, removing the character style requirement... That got rid of the garbage text. My bad, of course. But then the problem became different. Now the running head says simply "Glossary." I can pre-pend the word "Appendix" by defining it in the text variable dialog... but then that doesn't pick up the appendix letter. I would prefer to pick up all of "Appendix A: Glossary" from the head.  "Appendix <number>:" is part of the bullets-and-numbering tab of the head style definition, as shown earlier in the thread. The running head doesn't seem to be picking that up. Any help appreciated. ... View more

Excellent thought... should have done that... but in the meantime, I applied "special appendix header style" character format (no formatting at all, just a name) to both the word glossary and, through the numbering panel of the header_1_appendix paragraph style -- theoretically -- to the "Appendix A:<emspace>" portion. I say "theoretically" because it doesn't seem to produce any result. I get this: This is usable, but it's not the "Appendix A: Glossary" that I wanted to see. I think that prefixing the head with "Appendix A:<emspace>" may be causing ID not to see that part of the header when using Running Header (Paragraph). Applying the "special appendix header style" to the characters of the prefix in the paragraph style definition doesn't seen to get them included in the running header. I will try removing the <emspace> and see what that does. (As an aside, I remember ages ago putting a multi-part header into Frame in order to get the word "chapter," the chapter number, and the chapter title into the same running head. That doesn't seem to be easily doable in ID.) The puzzling part is that the same definitions worked just fine with the chapter heads and running heads, but something is different with the Appendix -- either the prefix or the <emspace> (though I used <emspace> in the chapter heads). <headshake /> ... View more

Many thanks. That certainly is much more to my liking. Its only drawback -- and it's not much of a drawback -- is that the graphic is now embedded rather than linked. So be it. I'm going to call this the correct answer, and thank you all for your time. -jw ... View more

I am sure that there is a more refined way of doing this (I may have an extra step or two), but this process seems to work: Take the screen shot (usually results in a PNG or JPG at 96 dpi). Convert to PSD or AI & clean up the shot (this preserves resolution and minimizes pixelation during later scaling). Place the screenshot into the InDesign doc and scale it to suit the document. (If you don't scale the image in InDesign, the resulting graphic may be too big or too small for its placement. There may be a way to place a graphic into a pre-sized and already anchored graphics placeholder that will flow with the text, but I didn't immediately find that way, and I've burned enough hours on this question.) Copy the scaled screen shot at its new size from InDesign and paste into AI. (In AI) Add callouts. Adding callouts to a previously scaled graphic helps keep the callout text at the same point size throughout the document. Scaling after the fact would change the point size because by then the text is part of the graphic. (In AI) Group. (In AI) Save the grouped image as a named .ai file. Place the named .ai file at the correct location in InDesign as a linked and anchored file. This allows it to flow with the text and be edited externally. Text may be grainy in ID, but it exports and prints correctly as PDF and HTML. Learning how to correctly export to both PDF and HTML with callouts in place was the goal of the original post. I would vastly prefer to do all this exclusively in InDesign -- to simply scale the screen shot and add callouts and have them come out in both endpoint formats -- but that doesn't seem to be in the cards. There is another post elsewhere where someone said he took the image out to AI and added his callouts there, but he complained about the scaling of the lines and text when importing into InDesign. So I tried scaling before the fact rather than after the fact. Thanks for all the help. ... View more

Alas, Client wants to host the HTML on their own servers. Can't tie it to Adobe, helpful as that might be. ... View more

And I'm guessing that's a matter of un-anchoring, adding the callouts, grouping, and re-anchoring. ... View more

Guys, please. You've all tried to be very helpful by correcting my terribly mistaken notion of writing a log-in page or large application by using InDesign... Except that's not at all what I'm doing, I have no idea where that concept came from, and it seems to me that no one is reading my posts. I am documenting a piece of software. Think of it as a big PDF -- let's call it a "manual." In that documentation, I have a screen shot (actually, I have a large number). To the side of each screen shot, I want to point a line at a feature within the graphic and put a blurb at the other end of that line that says "Hey -- This is the widget feature. You'll find it right here at the other end of this line." I have done this type of documentation for some few years, now, but have not had to produce both InDesign output and HTML. The screen shot is anchored so that it will move when text is added or taken away. (That was a good point someone made.) Currently I can add the line and the blurb. Perhaps is is the anchoring that causes the problem but at least at this point, I cannot select both the graphic, and the line/blurb. Selecting one de-selects the other (yes, I use shift-click). That is one problem in following the advice offered here, and maybe that is indeed a conceptual issue. After the PDF is done, and my clients have sat around the big conference table telling me what a swell guy I am for making such a good-looking PDF, I still have to dump this baby into HTML. That is the other problem. Even if I successfully draw the line, and add the blurb, they do not export to HTML along with the graphic -- and that was the subject of the original post. I think that this is an appropriate workflow for InDesign. I am happy to be told how to do it better (one poster mentioned In5). But please, folks: I am NOT writing a software application in InDesign. I am NOT writing an interactive log-in screen. I am writing a software manual that includes screen shots. That's all. Your help is always appreciated. -JW ... View more

Thanks for your help. However, I cannot group the graphic (whether linked or embedded) and the callout at the same time. I can group the parts of the callout or I can select the graphic. Not both. Thus: no grouping. I'll have to go with my all-in-one graphic solution. Acknowledged that InDesign is not an application editor. I would still be in the market for another way to output the InDesign source files as HTML without using the InDesign HTML output functions, but I have to start where I have to start. Thanks again. -jw ... View more

I'm not sure that I can explain things better than I did in my original post, but here is more detail: I am creating a book in InDesign for a client. This book is intended to be and will be published as a PDF. The book includes many graphics, almost all with callouts -- of the type that I illustrated. Sorry for the pixelation and poor image. That was a screen image that I took at a specific resolution, but blew up for quickie posting here. I am not trying to build a log-in screen nor a website; that log in screen is a screen shot of the software I am documenting. It is simply (a poor) illustration of one of the graphics in the book. InDesign can output HTML. It does so quite well, but no, it is not a package that I would turn to in preference in which to create a website. However, and nonetheless, it does output HTML pages on a file-by-file basis. I am tasked with creating the original InDesign document and putting it out as PDF. I am also charged with using the same material and creating HTML pages from it for use on line. This, I can do. In fact, I can do it in InDesign. There may very well be a better solution -- but remember that my source material is in InDesign. (For example, RoboHelp does not accept InDesign files as input or output.) During the course of experimenting with the HTML capabilities of InDesign, I discovered that even though its HTML output handily exported the graphic, it WOULD NOT export the lines and the text of the callouts along with the graphic. There seems to have been some confusion in this thread about what a callout is, so I tried to illustrate it with the poor screenshot. C'est la guerre. (InDesign does export the callouts -- they appear at the very end of the HTML file.) As I stated in my original post, this is probably because they are not in the text flow; that is, the lines and callout text are not in the same flow as the graphic that is linked into the flow of the document. (Implication: they would not move when adding text even in the PDF version of the document. So my question asks not whether I can create a website using InDesign or whether this is an appropriate use of the program (it probably isn't), but whether, in the course of exporting InDesign files as HTML -- which the program can do -- there is a preferred and effective way of exporting the callout lines and their text along with the graphics. I list in my original post several of the techniques I've tried in order to achieve the desired effect. I will probably end up creating both graphic and callout in AI and linking that combined graphic into InDesign for export both as PDF and HTML. This means that any graphics that must be scaled and adjusted to fit the PDF will likewise have their text and line widths scaled, and I had hoped that I could avoid this, as it will affect even the PDF version. I am certainly open a better solution, even if it requires other software. But remember that the source material is in InDesign. Thanks for your help and attention. --Jeff W ... View more

Callout -- a line extending from and calling attention to a feature in a graphic, usually with explanatory text on the end. This is the appearance in InDesign and in PDF: And this is the appearance in an HTML file: ... View more

Thanks very much for the reply, but it's not seeing the marker that's the issue (and I know about using the story editor). It's FINDING the marker. I have an entry that has no page number associated with it. Even when selected in the Preview Pane, the Go To Marker button at the bottom of the Preview Pane is grayed out. Apparently, I can't just go to the marker. This does not happen when selecting the page number of a properly numbered index item. So, the question is, I know the marker exists because its topic appears in the reference, but where in the 250 pages of the book does that marker appear? How to find it, when the Go To Marker button is grayed out? Even looking at the ~70 or so component book files in the Story Editor won't do it for this one. Several of these markers appear in the book (mea culpa). I need to track them down and edit them into correctness. I made a PDF of the book and did a word search, which at least directed me to the right set of files to edit. Then I deleted the problematic index entries in InDesign and made new correct ones more-or-less where they should have been in the book. It would have been a lot simpler to just go to the marker and edit it. There may be other index entries like this that I need to correct, too. Still proofreading. So that's my plight -- not seeing the marker, but finding where it is in the book. Thanks again. -j ... View more

Well, that certainly solves the problem. Thanks! Would prefer to be able to de-select, but if I can't, then this does the trick. ... View more