Hi Guys,
I want to thank you for migrating to this new forum, I have worked on clearspace for a while and It is indeed a very robust collaboration/social networking framework,with very nice forum feature,
maybe you can enabled blogs for users in the future 
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anyways I have two thumbs but giving this move a 5 thumbs up.
Regards
Levan
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levancho wrote:
Hi Guys,
I want to thank you for migrating to this new forum, I have worked on clearspace for a while and It is indeed a very robust collaboration/social networking framework,with very nice forum feature,
maybe you can enabled blogs for users in the future
anyways I have two thumbs but giving this move a 5 thumbs up.
Regards
Levan
Just because you type the words, it doesn't make it true.
dec9 wrote:
No, your origional post said you worked "ON" clearspace and didn't say "WITH". Working on and working with are totally different concepts. That is why you received the lashout.
levancho wrote:
Ann Shelbourne wrote:
[personal attack removed]looool anna, you don understand that clearspace is not a company? But a product, I worked with clearspace means I have implemented it on several projects and have worked with its source, looool I don't work for jive, so please save your anger sore something else, or at least read the post completely befor bashing out
Message was edited by: Jochem van Dieten
its all good guys [my rude reply removed]
I am not saying clearspace is the best,its just better than one I have seen before.
P.S: thruth to be told and .. its actually is a shame that the very best forum Software in the market currently is written in php
actually two of them
IPB and vbulletin
levancho wrote on 11/1/2009 11:42 PM:
if you had looked into the source code of clearspace you would "exactly" know what I am talking about, but since you have not, I cant really explain that any better than this.
They won't give me access so all I know about the CS sourcecode is from
two students I had when I was doing LiveCycle and Flex training in
India. They had both worked for one of Jive's integration partners. We
shared horror stories 
ok, lets open up some, can of worms,
try visiting this page http://forums.adobe.com/community/ (10 times )
it should always be slower than any other page,
that is directly related to how clearspace treats communities, and how code that runs behind works,
clearspace is a cache ( not money) machine, if it does not have anough cache to store all those community objects, it will flush it out and reload them on every request, so unless cache is highly optimized from admin section, this forum will always have performance issues
same goes for forum threads, discussions, replies, user counts and other frequently accessible items,each have seperate cache setting that has to be checked, and optimized, and overall server has to have huge cache settings to accomodate fast response, also java heap size haeve to be big anough otherwiss some friendly out of memory errors will start poping up. again, clearspace is build on asumption that there is big cache avaiable, and if (I hope it is) clustering is enabled via coherence than it has to be configured with cache sizes being quite large, and it will scale in paralel and *should *cough* in theory *cough* deliver stagering performance boost if configured correctly..
if this forum is deployed without coherence cache clustering than forget about scalability or performance , it will degrade even more.
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I do not think any version of Jive ClearSpace is mature enough to be
considered production quality.
Their backend looks nice enough, it follows all the right patterns to be
able to work well, and I think they designed it quite nicely to scale
very well. But essentially all they did there was string together proven
technologies from others. Spring, FreeMarker, Tomcat, Struts, Lucene,
Coherence, PostgreSQL etc. are all proven, production quality technologies.
The first problem lies in what they built on top of that. The user
interface is a pile of crap. It is totally dependent on javascript which
makes it terribly slow. There are considerable errors in the design of
the HTTP layer so the hit ratio on the browser cache is a joke. About
the only thing I like about their design is their choice of scalability
over single thread performance, e.g. the way they don't keep a server
side history but do that in cookies. And I am not even going to go into
the issues with the webservices and email integration, because that
alone is enough for a week of discussions.
The second problem is Jive as a company. From my experience with them I
would say they are immature and have grown to fast.
Their support is a joke, I have to explain to them how they set up these
forums. Not oncce, but three times. Even issues that are under a 1-hour
SLA take weeks before they acknowlege there is a bug. On issues they
don't follow the instructions to reproduce and then claim there is no
issue. Not to mention the times where they respond "we knew that bug
existed, we just didn't tell you". And that is not just support, their
development team also closes feature requests while implementing
something completely different then asked.
I can not detect any commitment to the quality of their products with
them. The only bugs in their product they actually fix in a reasonable
time are the ones where I threaten to publish exploits for their
security holes. Nor any commitment to work with people to sort out these
issues. (I have had an email conversations with their lead developer
where he claimed he was happy with their quality, I showed him how on a
project 86% of the invoked webservices malfunctioned and the other 14%
had incorret documentation, and suddenly he doesn't answer email anymore.)
Great stuff!
(Who would've thought you were so much in agreement with us! 
)
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