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April 16, 2009
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Email notifications - subject line codes

  • April 16, 2009
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It looks like those irritating codes at the end of the subject line are going

to stay. There are a couple of things about them that make them even more

irritating, but they could - I should have thought - easily be put right.

(1) The first part looks like six randomly generated ascii characters

signifying the date. If that is the case, then five digits would do until

October 2173, just by counting days since 1 January 1900 (today is 39919, for

example). This would mean that parts of a thread sorted by subject would stay

in the right date order even though the thread spanned more than one day. They

don't at the moment, unless the random code happens to sort alphanumerically

in the right order.

(2) It looks as if the last four characters increment as posts are recorded.

The problem here is that they increment according to the ascii sort order,

which cannot be specified for any mail client that I know of. The sort order

is , whereas 'normal' sorting would put A and a before B and

b, and so on. Again, messages sorted by subject get out of date order. This

could be put right by, say, excluding small letters from the mix. This would

admittedly reduce the number of available 4-character codes to only 1.7

million instead of 14.8 million, but I should have thought that that was

enough to keep them going until the next rehash of the forum system.

The middle three characters have been tvi for all the notifications I have

received.

Then, remove the superfluous 'Re: ' at the start of the subject line for

replies, and we've got a groupable, if not threadable, set of messages.

Comments, anybody?

Noel

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    Mark_A__Boyd
    Inspiring
    April 18, 2009

    I am missing NNTP access more and more.

    Inspiring
    April 17, 2009

    I don't think the analysis of the codes is entirely correct.

    IldhundAuthor
    Inspiring
    April 18, 2009

    Thanks, Jochem. No, that wasn't any sort of analysis, just observations of

    things which, with slight amendments, might make reading posts in an email

    client a bit easier. It's a nightmare at present.

    The java code you refer to talks about the 'Reply-To:' header, which is

    similar to but not the same as what gets put in the subject line. It's just

    the idea of random characters in a key position that annoys me, when I can't

    see that it has to be like that.

    Wouldn't it help if the system respected the 'In-Reply-To:' header that I

    suppose most clients add to outgoing messages?

    Noel

    Mark_A__Boyd
    Inspiring
    April 17, 2009

    Ildhund wrote:

    (1) The first part looks like six randomly generated ascii characters signifying the date.

    Hmm. All of the emails I got today do have 5 digits in the first section. And many of them came in before your post, so either it's coincidental that you came up with the same idea, or just a simple coincidence, or . . . ?

    The middle three characters have been tvi for all the notifications I have received.

    All of mine have identical, but not they're not tvi.

    My incoming emails today: [HxgfZ-.....]

    IldhundAuthor
    Inspiring
    April 18, 2009

    Thanks, Mark. That wasn't supposed to indicate that I'd made a thoroughgoing study. It's obvious that the first part has a random element and it changes daily. This means that an alphanumeric sort will most probably show posts out of date order, which is a nuisance. This thread is a case in point:

    grouped_by_subject.PNG

    The OP doesn't show, of course, but the first two responses - with code 2g53KZ - sort after the rest, with code 1j5tSN. It should be simple to modify that code so that the first character, at least, increments.

    The last part of the code does increment, and the slight discrepancies might reflect the different times it takes for posts arrive and drift through the system before the code is allocated.

    My only point is that minor changes - like dropping the 'Re: ' - would make life a little bit easier for those of us who prefer not to use the web forum. No silk purse will ever come out of this sow's ear, and the sooner they bring back NNTP, the better.

    Noel

    Phillip M  Jones
    Inspiring
    April 16, 2009

    Is there some way they can can Hide the Codes just for email Notifications. Surely someone is smartenough to do something like that?

    I use SeaMonkey and in the Email headers some orgaization calle SilverlineSVF say that the subject lines break certain rules for character count for Subject lines, which should be which no more than 60 Characters Maximum.

    Almost all subject lines except for short ones fail this test.


    In other words they are breaking email specification rules to begin with.

    Inspiring
    April 17, 2009

    If you have a problem with that "SilverlineSVF organization" putting that in your email, you should take that up with them, not with Adobe. But I suggest reading up on email headers first. Check out this nice introduction, then think for a second about the headers you are posting here and who inserted them.

    ~graffiti
    Brainiac
    April 17, 2009

    I did not create the the thread I replied asking whether there was a way to hide the codes.


    Dude. You need to quite reading. It seems like you simply believe anything to read to be a fact stated by someone in authority.

    So put the books down, turn on the TV and watch some Gilligans Island reruns...