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Phos±four dots wrote:
Me and my yardstick, we have better things to measure these days.
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Message was edited by: Jochem van Dieten
Like? 
And i just wish these moderators would stop editing content for the sake of editing content... This isn't '1984'.
wow.
I've not read anything in this thread that was deserving of moderation of any kind.
amazing. Is this what this forum board has been reduced to?
edit: I was not aware of Phos' multiple posts to irritate Jochem. Those I can see getting deleted, others...???
I have just logged in after about a couple of weeks, just to check if the joke is still on us. I think it is.
1. Although I notice some cosmetic changes, none of the major problems has been solved.
2. I see we now have new moderators who do not seem to understand what old frequent users still around are complaining about, and who do not seem to care if the number of faithful collaborators continues decreasing. Deleting and censoring posts, or closing threads, is not the best way to retain those still posting, or encouraging those who have left to come back.
3. I explained in here http://forums.adobe.com/message/2105030#2105030 why I was abandoning the forums. This is part of what I wrote:
So, then, what has been my battle, why did I fight it for so long, and why am I surrendering now? Well, I stumbled upon the forums in Spanish almost by accident, probably in late 2003 or early 2004, and was horrified by the mixture in their fixed text of a very few phrases in more or less correct Spanish, too many in horrible Spanglish, and high number directly in English. I was also very worried by the extremely low number of participants. So, being a born mill treader (sorry if I invented this expression), I have been struggling all these years to correct both things.
I was very successful in the early beginnings, when with a very willing and efficient JC, we changed a not negligible amount of the fixed text to a more decent Spanish (my own) without telling anyone. Sadly, this process ended with the takeover of the Spanish forums by "Adobe Fenwick", a hit of a name we owe to you. Then came this shadow committee that never worked (and I think never existed) from which I was vetoed after several months, and then... nothing, nothing at all for months that turned to years.
Until the present debacle. As I explained above, we ended with "all the cats in the same bag" (please give me a hand with this idiom, Ramón), and with an impossible labyrinth for newcomers to pass through to get into this one and only Spanish forum.
I am aware that the same thing happened at least in the forums in French (by the way, Pierre shows no recent activity whatsoever), and I know that, with the recently implemented new forums (I wonder if anyone foresaw what a chaos this was going to turn into), there were at first much more pressing matters than worrying about this mouse that never roared. And when the magnitude of the chaos could be more accurately gauged, such a small matter must have been dropped.
So why am I surrendering? Simply because, even with my inherited optimism, I cannot see the slightest hope of any positive change in the forum in Spanish until the forums in English work as they should. And, even in my more optimistic moods, I cannot foresee any effective measures to achieve the later and therefore none at all of achieving the former.
Waiting four years for some improvement when there was a very slight glimmer of hope is one thing; waiting another four years when there is none at all is quite a different matter. In any case, I will miss you all, and very much, although I am not locking the doors for ever. Coming back several times per month, at least to the "Discussions..." forum, will be unavoidable; I'm simply not the type to discard an old love as an old shoe.
I'm sad to see there have been no further posts in that thread.
4. However, I think the most cruel joke by far is this:
Claudio González wrote:
I forgot to mention that I have read some completely unfounded insulting personal comments that I have found really disgusting. Like suggesting that Hopper should spend more time helping in the products forums than here,
Claudio,
THANKS for your support. 
I will say, I was, indeed, surprised to see the comment, but, well, as the kids say, "what can I say"? The mods are not used to seeing many of us, so they must think we are brand new users. 10 years in age is indeed young, 10 years in an online forum is old! 
I'm sorry that the Spanish forums are just as messed up as the English ones are. Wonder where Pierre went? Has anyone seen Mathias?
<sigh> there are those of us who care, and seemingly those who run these boards that don't. 
greenjumpyone wrote:
Claudio,
THANKS for your support.
I'm sorry that the Spanish forums are just as messed up as the English ones are. Wonder where Pierre went? Has anyone seen Mathias?
<sigh> there are those of us who care, and seemingly those who run these boards that don't.
You have nothing to thank me for, although I am surprised to see that such diatribes did not receive the firm and solidary rebuke they deserved.
Those who wrote the two examples I quote certainly did not know whom they were writing about. Shame that they didn't care to find out first.
And I wish the Spanish forum (not forums now, just all products in the same bag) were just as messed up as the English ones, or even remotely as messed up...
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