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February 22, 2009
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My top ten criteria for the new forums

  • February 22, 2009
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This is my view on what the new forums should provide. This is what I'll personally be measuring the new forums against when we have a fully testable beta version.

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1 - The new forums should encourage the participation of new members, both to feel encouraged to seek help in the first place, but also to stay and become long-term contributing members of the online community here.

2 - The new forums should alienate the existing users as little as possible, as there's no point in having questions with no answers - though equally there's no point in having answers with no questions. A tricky balance to strike.

3 - Response of the forums should be no worse, and hopefully better, than typical performance here in recent months. If that means beefing up the hardware to accommodate the demands of more graphic-intensive software, so be it.

4 - The forums should look not unlike the majority of typical modern internet forums. This will not be favoured by those familiar with the sparse appearance of the present forums, but incoming new members expect to see something that looks more contemporary and familiar in style, even if there's a modest performance cost.

5 - They should function not unlike the majority of modern internet forums, in terms of the user interface and usable features. If you've got your first problem with Adobe software and you arrive in the Adobe forums for the first time, you don't want then to be confronted with something that looks like another problem and which takes time and effort to understand. The learning curve should be absolutely minimal. There should be a very low turn-away rate (potential users taking one look and backing off before participating or even complaining).

6 - The search function should be state of the art. If you have a good manual for the product software, a good user interface for it, and a good search engine for the knowledgebase and forums, the number of questions needing to be asked should be significantly lower.

7 - To support the regular participants it should be possible to list the discussions which have unread posts in any given member's selected forums, and within those discussions it should be possible to go directly to the unread content without scrolling around to find it. It should then be possible to go to the next unread post in the next unread discussion without first going backwards to the overall list.

8 - NNTP access, though a mystery to me, seems highly valued by some, and providing it does not seem to mess with what the rest of us see (setting aside the quoting problem), so let's have it.

9 - An effective mechanism to enforce the forum rules by restricting access by individuals who persistently break the rules should be provided - and there should be no simple way round it. Failing that, provision of an inbuilt method for users to ignore posts by other specified users is necessary.

10 - There should be a properly functioning list of banned words.

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That's my top ten list of criteria - though in five minutes I'll probably think of some key stuff I have left out.

What's yours?
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    March 11, 2009
    But when "Content" becomes as obscured and bogged-down in junk and wasted-space (as it does in the current MM and Apple Discussions Forums a pattern that we now seen doomed to follow) how useful is it?

    Endless questions being posted but no-one who could so easily answer those questions being prepared to waste their time doing so any more unless they are hired to do so for a fee?

    That sort of "Content" is useless and pointless.

    Basically, I am rapidly becoming convinced that the Adobe Forum Development team are simply taking the LAZY way out by just accepting the use of the particular existing boiler-plate Forum Software which has been primarily responsible for the proliferation of the abysmally low standards of Forum and Website Design that is spreading like the plague across the Internet.
    Curt Wrigley
    Inspiring
    March 11, 2009
    Andrew's point and analogy are very good. The large majority of users here care only about content, which in the end is the critical thing.
    March 11, 2009
    >Ramon, it would appear, takes an interest in car engines and forum software in advance of problems arising, and as I recall it takes no interest in God under any circumstances - all of which is entirely his prerogative!

    that's ok. God's interested in him. :)
    Stan Jones
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    March 11, 2009
    omg, they've turned to discussing religion!

    We do not know how many users are visiting these forums.

    Most adobe forums posters are not here posting, even if they visit, because these "what's coming forums" are not asking for input. They promise "information about." Most probably take a look and are then willing to wait and see.

    Also, frankly, if I were not someone who is willing to post every now and then, I sure wouldn't get my feet wet in this "new forums" group of absurdly rancorous forums.
    Andrew Yoole
    Inspiring
    March 11, 2009
    :-)
    March 11, 2009
    Many people's attitude to car engines is much the same as to forum software and God. They only take an interest when things go badly wrong. (Ramon, it would appear, takes an interest in car engines and forum software in advance of problems arising, and as I recall it takes no interest in God under any circumstances - all of which is entirely his prerogative! :) )
    March 11, 2009
    You nailed it Andrew!

    This section is just for the recognised blow-hards to let off steam. This will, with luck, minimise the inevitable outcry when the change takes place. B)

    And, as an engineer, I can reassure you that your analogy was perfectly in order. Most of the people using the machinery that I was responsible for drivers, pilots, whatever knew and cared little about how it worked.
    Andrew Yoole
    Inspiring
    March 11, 2009
    Disregarding your opinion of my analogy, I'm sure you understand my point.

    The fact that this Forum attracted 210,000 contributors these past 4 months, and maybe 40 or 50 have commented in this "New Forum" section (many of whom are Forum Hosts or other recognized contributors) implies very clearly that a vast number of Forum users are not concerned enough, or informed enough, about the change to have commented.
    Ramón G Castañeda
    Inspiring
    March 11, 2009
    Car owners don't really care too much about the nuances of the engine driving it?

    Silliest thing I've read in many moons
    Andrew Yoole
    Inspiring
    March 11, 2009
    I'd suggest that the vast majority of Adobe Forum users, much like car owners, don't really care too much about the nuances of the engine driving it. So long as it gets them to their destination, the Forum has done its job. Sure, a few enthusiasts will take the time to kick the tires and check the engine-timing, but the majority of users don't want that kind of involvement - they just want to find an answer quickly and easily, so they can get on with their real work.