Still no supervision in the French and Spanish forums?

[Claudio_González1]

I forgot that threads are extremely short lived in this forum, and the discussion that really began within an unrelated thread, here

Pierre Courtejoie, "Shouldn't these links be removed as soon as possible?" #8, 27 Feb 2005 1:21 pm

has already gone to the Archives, where it is in danger of going to the limbus in the near future.

I still think that this is an important issue, and still wait to see any improvement in those forums showing that the messages by Pierre and myself on the subject have not fallen in a void. Although we both value and thank Neil Keller for his attempts to get some reaction in higher quarters, his attempts have unfortunately been a failure.

It is pathetic to see pages in the forums in Spanish with templates that are written in a mixture of English and a very bad Spanish. It is even more pathetic that JC stopped more than a year ago feeling authorized to introduce any non trivial change to improve this situation. The worst part is however to feel that there is no one listening, or at least willing to admit that there might be problems in those forums.

I feel very disappointed.

[Claudio_González1]

>would it mean that the non-english forums would not follow the change immediately?

I wouldn't think so. In any case, you are obviously asking in the wrong thread... XD

[Jacob Bugge]

Claudio,

Thank for the kind words.

I hope this forum and this thread shall live and not die. Therefore my question in the other thread. The cleanout in the NEW Forum Update News (big changes) seems ominous, but this forum was not created on a temporary basis, and after all there has to be a forum about the forums.

It is too early to say a final goodbye and to drop the cause, so if this thread dies with the forum, we shall have to give it a new life in whichever forum takes over.

[Claudio_González1]

Everything will depend on the new forums in Spanish and French. If the suggestions made here have been taken into account, there should be no need to revive this thread.

[Claudio_González1]

Everything will depend on the new forums in Spanish and French. If the suggestions made here have been taken into account, there should be no need to revive this thread. I'm hoping for the best.

[Claudio_González1]

I have no idea how I managed to produce the above double posting. I am reasonably sure I did not post it until adding the final phrase appearing in the second and not in the first.

[Jacob Bugge]

But it seems that it will live.

[Claudio_González1]

Well, Jacob, this time I have beaten you in bringing this topic somewhere higher up the ladder. :-)

I am glad to report that we have gotten back the French and Spanish forums, which had been in the limbo since the merge. In the ones in Spanish, there is at the moment only one person to have noticed that they are available again. Hope we haven't lost too many users...

[Jacob Bugge]

You are right, Claudio. I did keep an eye on it, though.

[Jacob Bugge]

First on the spot.

[PECourtejoie]

Thank you!

I wonder if during the attempt of consolidation of the two sides, if anybody claimed "ownership" of the non-english speaking fora?

[Claudio_González1]

Hello, Pierre.

I don't know, and probably those who know won't visit this thread. All I know is that both forums, in French and in Spanish, went to the limbo during the "experimental" period.

Although I do remember posting a thread in that period about this disappearance, I don't remember the explanation given, and the problem remained unsolved until we got our old forums back. Obviously, it wasn't at all high in the list of priorities of the time, and probably much lower than in normal times. Also, I don't know if messages posted in that period are available to all somewhere...

Hello Jacob, and thank you. I was waiting for the usual 30 days to push the thread upwards.:-)

[Jacob Bugge]

Pierre, Claudio,

I had been following things with growing anxiety, this thread being third from the bottom. The latest post here was 13 October, and the threads from 12 October are the next to go. I am not sure whether it is purely a matter of dates or the number of threads counts too. Better safe (and silly) than (stout and) sorry.

[Claudio_González1]

I hadn't noticed about the dates. I will keep an eye to see when the posts from 12 October go to the Archive.

Thanks a lot again.

[Claudio_González1]

They are still there ...

[Jacob Bugge]

Someone chickened out too soon. It seems that life and death of the threads are determined by date only.

[Claudio_González1]

I have the impression that if the last messages in the list are "neutral" they are allowed to survive for a longer time... :-)

[Guest]

The anxiety level is getting too high around here. I'm relatively certain this has been mentioned before. In this folder, discussions are set to expire if they haven't had a post in the last 45 days. So you guys can get out your fingers and figure out when you need to get nervous next.

[Jacob Bugge]

Thank you for the clarification, Dorothy. Christmas anxiety may follow.

[Claudio_González1]

Thanks for the information, Dorothy.

[Claudio_González1]

However, the time interval between this message and the following one is much longer than 45 days...

Buko, "Forum Suggestion . . ." #27, 4 Jan 2007 8:26 am

(and I wasn't looking for examples to prove Dorothy wrong, but for recent discussions about the looks of these forums).

[Guest]

That is one of few set to not expire. Before you suggest it... I know you wouldn't want to take all the fun out of things by setting this one to not expire, right? After all... you wouldn't want to lose the excuse to keep popping it back onto people's radar, I doubt. Oh... should probably add... ;)

[Claudio_González1]

>After all... you wouldn't want to lose the excuse to keep popping it back onto people's radar, I doubt.

Not really my reason to help in keeping this thread alive.

I am really very worried by the very low level of priority that Adobe gives to the future existence of the forums in French and Spanish. More than two and a half years posting about this problem has produced absolutely no result. And these forums simply vanished during the whole of the "experimental" period -the only two ones to disappear. Not really very encouraging.

[Guest]

From the "what can I do?" perspective, this is probably about the best. John reads here, tho his hands are tied as well. There was a sizable list of non-English forums in the trial, which someone other then John developed. Whether those people, probably not people that work in the forums, are aware there are already some forums here, or not, I don't know. But, they were obviously working on some, and we know that John is capable of moving stuff around. So, ultimately, the forums will exist, tho I can't guess how they will be staffed, as far as having people monitoring that speak the languages. That, again, will be the weak point. John is still the person to filter through, tho his job is pretty big too, and he has to pick his priorities. But this keeps it on his radar, hopefully without being an irritant.

[Jacob Bugge]

Dorothy,

>Before you suggest it

Is it an option?

This has always been a nice thread, and it is also the one and only International Weather Channel of the Adobe Forums.

We just had a shower of hail, shining in the light of the setting sun.

[Claudio_González1]

>John reads here, tho his hands are tied as well.

Yes, we have known this since these forums were taken over by some never disclosed Adobe branch, although there were rumours that it was Adobe Ireland. Trouble is, at the same time improvements and even any change in these forums stopped completely. And nobody seems to know, or be willing to disclose, who -if anyone- is responsible for them. So we are in a blind alley, and I at least am less optimistic with every passing week.