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The Big Picture

Guest
Feb 28, 2009 Feb 28, 2009

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I think what is not being understood by some participants in these discussion is the scale of change which will follow the transition to the new forums.

Have a look at http://www.jivesoftware.com/products/clearspace-community and you'll see that the purpose of the Clearspace Community software goes way beyond the objectives that might be deduced of the current forums and their underlying software.

My personal take on things is that Adobe have decided that the whole style of the user interactions and community here is no longer appropriate to their corporate needs. There was a time when provision of a support forum was not seen as much related to the main thrust of company objectives, but those days have gone. Online communities are now one of the chief means of interaction between a corporation and its customers - and it's a two way channel. Interaction between those customers is also facilitated by within the online community but that's not necessarily deemed to be the key objective.

The forthcoming change represents, sadly, the end of this community and the creation of a new and very different one. The functional elements and the look and feel of their presentation in the Jive software are carefully designed to foster a particular style of interaction between users of Adobe software, and beween the users and the company. The functions and form are designed for an over-riding purpose and to support an overarching communications philosophy, not thrown in upon a whim.

It seems very clear to me that Adobe expects that the new community will have a significantly different flavour to the old, and that they will have anticipated that not all of the present members of this (and the Macromedia) communities will feel at home in the new one. There's no need to warn Adobe that some people will be unhappy enough not to return - they will have accepted that risk at the outset.

While there will be an inevitable loss of expertise, and it will be sad to see the last of some regular participants here, it seems clear to me that Adobe are hoping that the new style of community (moulded by the software they have chosen to create it) will bring in new members who may well have considerable expertise in the products, but who have not felt encouraged to participate in the style of community we have here now. The company will also be hoping that those newly requiring support will find the new site to be more effective and simpler to use than the old, and that the site will enable the company image and the strengths and usage of the product lines to be put across more clearly.

That, as I see it, is the big picture. There's not much point in discussing the points of detail unless in the context of the overall company objectives in making these changes - and if you disagree with the whole underlying premise of the changes, then there's little chance that you'll like much of the detail either.

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Participant ,
Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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I have the solution:

We are ALL "experts" at something so if these nonsensical little badges and avatars are going to be allowed I suggest that we ALL add an "EXPERT" Badge (of our own choice and design!) to all of our postings.

"Real World Expert" would cover most of us quite nicely.

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Guest
Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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dibs!

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Participant ,
Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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Perfect!

:)

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Enthusiast ,
Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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I'm going have to resurrect my Adobe pun expert signature.

Jay
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A.P.E.

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Guest
Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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thanks. now ann, we need ditches. i need you to round up some diggers. come on! chop-chop!!! XD

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New Here ,
Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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> What worries me is that he apparently believes that. Who fed him that idea? Jeez. I see we still have some way to go.

No feeding necessary! I see it day after day, year after year. It slowed down for a while. But its back with a vengeance.

Just look at the comment even though had the smiley about mac people and living mud in the room, Just above.

I am sorry to see it raise its ugly here in adobe forums. This was one of the last remain bastions of of unbiased help.

Help in any forum should be based on the need for help and not have some stupid biases against what type computer one uses.

If you don't see it on the internet, you obviously don't have your opens wide enough to see it.

Take for instance in Mozilla support groups I was a regular poster. when some one asked a question and gave no platform used I would post a suggested answer for the Mac Users. some one would come up with one for the PC users. But then someone would say ".... off, we don't need any information from you Mac users, we didn't ask". So after years of such abuse I no longer post. There are a few Mac users they use to post that no longer do after I quit. So I see it every where. That because windows users are the largest users, they supposedly are the best users, when all they are is different.

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Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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dave: <br /> <br />Deliverd as requested: <br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1qMPTetrtqRrg3nCl3SCTDtmtgSuT0" /></a> <img alt="Picture hosted by Pixentral" src="http://www.pixentral.com/hosted/1qMPTetrtqRrg3nCl3SCTDtmtgSuT0_thumb.jpg" border="0" /> <br /> <br />http://www.fotosearch.com/photos-images/digger.html <br /> <br />That should get you started

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Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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Phil

You do know that the smiley means he was joking, don't you?

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New Here ,
Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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Well actually it could be a smirk or even if said with a smiley it could be a backhanded comment. And meant to be funny to one set of people, but meant as put down to another.

It depends upon the poster. If I am joking I use a smiley of some type or another. But if I am dead serious, then I don't use any, Or use some non standard ones such and angry or crying.

I try to get along but have had years of abuse and constantly get more.

When I got started on the net there were a lot of so called experts , or people thought they were better than other constantly putting people down. But then for years this went away and it was people's desire to to help other and who they were or what computer they used didn't matter. Now its coming around full circle. People are back to putting other people down, unless they use the same equipment they do. I had grown a rather thick skin. But after the net mellowed out it thinned out. Now I point it wherever I see it. I'm just getting tired of seeing it.

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Guest
Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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phil, i'm never serious... unless i'm not joking. :|

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Enthusiast ,
Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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"From my experience: once you have that badge attached to your name, it´s in particular the new forum participants who may have a tendency to call you to account for matters you aren´t responsible for at all respectively which you can´t solve because they are out of your reach -- and as the Community Expert label (I reckon this could be *any* lable) appears to induce the huge misinterpretation that your posts reflect Adobe´s view"

>> right. thanks. that's a pretty good argument for NOT allowing the "badges"...

Well, it might be, if it were true. In 8 years in the Comminity Expert and Team Macromedia programs, I've not encountered this sort of hassle.

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Guest
Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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so are you calling Günter a liar steve? :)

(nevermind. i give up! 🙂 )

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Guide ,
Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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so are you calling Günter a liar steve?
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fortunately I didn´t forget to prefix my stuff with "from my experience" ;-)

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Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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Everybody has won and all must have prizes

In that spirit, I hereby designate all Adobe Forum Contributors as "REAL WORLD EXPERTS" and suggest that they append this designation to all future Posts.

Ann Shelbourne
REAL WORLD EXPERT

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New Here ,
Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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Okay

Phillip M Jones, CET
Real world Dumb .... :)

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Advocate ,
Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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But but but ... Ann, now you'll have to give everybody advice about everything! Oh, wait <vbg>

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Guide ,
Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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In that spirit, I hereby designate all Adobe Forum Contributors as "REAL WORLD EXPERTS" and suggest that they append this designation to all future Posts.
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no, this one is already reserved for us Community Experts -- but wait, I see that "real underworld expert" is still available ;-)

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Participant ,
Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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>this one is already reserved for us Community Experts

It isn't! I got to the Copyright Office first!

But if you promise to behave REALLY nicely I'll see if I have a spare "REAL WORLD EXPERT" Badge left over for you after the others have collected theirs.

:)

Ann Shelbourne
REAL WORLD EXPERT

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Guide ,
Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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But if you promise to behave REALLY nicely
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guess you have never witnessed me behaving what I`d consider disgusting -- until now I *have* been nice ;-)

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I'll see if I have a spare "REAL WORLD EXPERT" Badge left over for you after the others have collected theirs
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no thanks, my Community Expert badge is still better than that 🙂 :-)

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New Here ,
Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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>Real world Dumb ....

Heh!

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Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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Real World Expert? I don't watch MTV.

dvl

-Adobe Software Purchaser-

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Guest
Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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dave milbut

-el presidente-

yea... yeaaaaa...

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Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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El Cap-i-tan :)

El Numero Uno :)

Jack of all Trades, Master of none! :-)

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Explorer ,
Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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El Presidente, ehhhh?

Then I wanna be a Corporal Colonel, just like Radar O'Reilly was when he and Hawkeye tired to catch Trapper before he departed and ended up meeting B.J. for the first time.

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Community Expert ,
Mar 03, 2009 Mar 03, 2009

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How about Adobe Software Specialists? ;)

Andrew Yoole
ASS

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