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Typeface choice gone

LEGEND ,
Sep 12, 2012 Sep 12, 2012

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The Advanced Editor window has experienced some changes today. One of the unwanted ones is that the hability to choose typefaces is gone, or extremely well hidden.

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LEGEND ,
Sep 18, 2012 Sep 18, 2012

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Firefox/Mac:

Comic.jpg

The text in message #19 looks like Times to me. And I see the text I'm writing in the same font...

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LEGEND ,
Sep 18, 2012 Sep 18, 2012

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Explorer/Win:

Comic1.JPG

Now I see message #19 and what I'm writing in what looks like the Adobe font...

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LEGEND ,
Sep 18, 2012 Sep 18, 2012

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Safari/Win:

Comic2.JPG

A third variation: Message #19 in Times and what I'm writing in ... Arial?

I would think that there seems to be something wrong here...

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LEGEND ,
Sep 18, 2012 Sep 18, 2012

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station_two wrote:

This is just a test to see if posting in the HTML editor makes a difference or not.   This is the much maligned Comic Sans.

It makes a big difference (in certain browsers) if you spell the font name correctly or not.

<span style="font-family: ComicSansMS;"> ≠ <span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS;">

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LEGEND ,
Sep 18, 2012 Sep 18, 2012

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Pat Willener wrote:

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It makes a big difference (in certain browsers) if you spell the font name correctly or not...

Regardless, why do I see the quoted message in what looks like Times?

And, quite frankly, I am fed up of writing my answers in Times and seeing them posted in the Adobe font. And with no ontrol over the typeface used. Yes, I know that I can write them in whatever font I want in Word and then copy and paste them here, but that's not the point.

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LEGEND ,
Sep 18, 2012 Sep 18, 2012

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Claudio González wrote:

Regardless, why do I see the quoted message in what looks like Times?

I believe that when the browser does not recognize a font, it will display the text in the browser's default font.

Below I will type something in OCR A Extended; most likely you will see the same Times font:

The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.

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LEGEND ,
Sep 19, 2012 Sep 19, 2012

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Yes, I do see the last line in what looks like Times. Which raises an interesting point. When I write messages, do I see the same Times because the browser does not recognize the Adobe font???

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Community Expert ,
Sep 19, 2012 Sep 19, 2012

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Claudio,

I apologize for my lack of vigilance.

Pat is right, and there is even more to it:

When you write your posts, normally or in the advanced editor, you see the default font in your browser.

So it is (only) possible to change the look of post writing by changing the browser default.

I had overlooked the fact because the forum uglifies the font at the rather small font size and (maybe even more) because I have been too busy (and too slow) to notice that I was actually seeing the fairest font, which I have as the default; I should have realized (I hope), had I used certain characters.

Now I am quite enjoying it.

But it seems that each post gets transformed intto the forum font, unless specifically coded.

Presumably, a coded post with a non default font get transformed into the available default font of its kind (serif/sans serif/whatever).

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LEGEND ,
Sep 19, 2012 Sep 19, 2012

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Well, I have just checked and it's true: there is no font in my systems with a name remotely resembling Adobe Clear, so my browsers are showing the text in my messages as the default font of each.

This is very recent; I noticed immediately after the last change, in which the choice of fonts was removed from the advanced editor in the message box. And it is also very annoying, at least for me, to have to write my messages in one font to see them posted in a completely different font.

As there has been no official reaction, I guess this is just one of the new things that we have to learn to live with. Regardless of the opinion of users.

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LEGEND ,
Sep 19, 2012 Sep 19, 2012

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Another new feature I had forgotten to mention. When I open any window, if the cursor happens to be in the place of any of the spots displaying windows (member badge, name), the corresponding window is displayed at the upper left hand corner of the screen.

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Community Expert ,
Sep 19, 2012 Sep 19, 2012

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I fully understand your points, Claudio, but there seem to be some differences in the way things work, whatever it depends on.

For me, the window opens right on top of what I am trying to read. I thought they had implemented the EAM (Eyetracking Annoyance Maximizer) as a special service to the whole community, but maybe you have the TLC version.

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LEGEND ,
Sep 19, 2012 Sep 19, 2012

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It can't depend on the phases of the moon; changes are too erratic. It seems to depend on the whims of the designers, who act as it they were the owners of the forums...

For me, the problem is that, once we get a new "feature", it stays there regardless. And for good, as they ironically say in English.

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LEGEND ,
Sep 19, 2012 Sep 19, 2012

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How about using just the good old fashioned simple plain fonts like monospace or Courier New.

After all it's the solution that matters most to Adobe customers

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LEGEND ,
Sep 19, 2012 Sep 19, 2012

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With this site it's 2 steps forward, 2.3 stumbles back.

The inability to change font to one of the prescribed fonts has led us down the path to talking about fonts that do and do not exist for use everywhere (there are fairly few).  Adobe's Typekit (some techonology or other they bought) is supposed to fix that, but it just doesn't work right with the most popular browser.  But no matter.  No doubt Adobe has noticed all this and will be removing the HTML capability soon.

Here's a new phrase we can all use, and that I think we can ALL agree on and stand behind...

Close enough for Adobe work!

-Noel

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LEGEND ,
Sep 19, 2012 Sep 19, 2012

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Jacob Bugge wrote:

When you write your posts, normally or in the advanced editor, you see the default font in your browser.

No, that is something different again.  At least for me; in the editor I see the ugliest font every invented.  It looks like an old-fashioned dot-printer.

This is how it looks using Waterfox on Windows 7.  Using Firefox on Windows XP is even uglier!  I will post an image of that tomorrow...

afed.PNG

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Explorer ,
Sep 20, 2012 Sep 20, 2012

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Pat Willener wrote:

This is how it looks using Waterfox on Windows 7.  Using Firefox on Windows XP is even uglier!  I will post an image of that tomorrow...

Not so bad...

Nueva imagen.JPG

Wonder what default and advanced font settings you have in Firefox/WinXP?

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LEGEND ,
Sep 20, 2012 Sep 20, 2012

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The point is this:  Why should it be different from one user's system to another?

  • Intentional randomization just for the excitement of it all?
  • A "fresh" user experience every visit?
  • Adobe wants to convey the message that they really don't understand web content creation?
  • Avoidance of that awful deja-vu feeling?
  • Completely incompetent web programmers?

Sure is a good thing President Obama appointed the CEO of Adobe as a member of his Management Advisory Board on productivity, the application of technology, and customer service.

-Noel

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LEGEND ,
Sep 20, 2012 Sep 20, 2012

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Noel,

Thanks for that. I needed a good laugh this AM.

Hunt

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LEGEND ,
Sep 21, 2012 Sep 21, 2012

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The typeface you used is very small for my eyes, but I seemed to understand "customer service" in your final sentence. Either you are joking, or I am severely in need of new glasses...

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LEGEND ,
Sep 21, 2012 Sep 21, 2012

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Yes, the "good thing" part could be interpreted as a joke.  The rest of the post is true enough.

I know you're loathe to use your browser zoom, but give it a try some time, even if for just reading one sentence.  That said, I'm resisting using anything but 100% zoom at every turn myself.

-Noel

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LEGEND ,
Sep 28, 2012 Sep 28, 2012

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I just discovered another quirk in the font(s) chosen here.

This is a technical forum, right?  Someone might want to express a checkbox as:

[  ] Check this box for good things to happen

Look carefully at the square brackets there.  Do they look the same height to you?  Look closely.  Here, I'll grab the screen and magnify them for you:

Check.png

Who designed this?  Stevie Wonder? 

-Noel

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LEGEND ,
Sep 28, 2012 Sep 28, 2012

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They're the same height for me. Your screenshot magnification smacks of bad subpixel rendering (check out those colors!). that may have something to do with your problem...

Screen shot 2012-09-29 at 12.21.41 AM.png

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LEGEND ,
Sep 29, 2012 Sep 29, 2012

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Thanks for your response, John.  I'm glad to hear it's not broken for everyone.

For me It looks the same in IE9, Firefox, and Safari.

There is no problem with my rendering.  There is a problem with the font.  That it is being used with Windows systems rendering like this indicates Adobe either doesn't actually test this stuff, of doesn't care.

By the way, those ClearType colors are there precisely to aid with subpixel rendering, and they help make the text look finer and BETTER, as I have ClearType tuned for my particular displays and preferences.  You're missing out on a particularly clear display if you don't have them.

It looks the same in IE9, Firefox, and Safari, by the way.

ThreeBrowsersBadFont.png

-Noel

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LEGEND ,
Sep 29, 2012 Sep 29, 2012

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I realize ClearType is subtle, and it's easy to point fingers at things like the color precompensation (especially when you don't have it or haven't experienced it), but I thought you'd like to see a macro photo of how it actually works when seen on the monitor.  It essentially provides additional horizontal resolution, making the monitor more like an effective 300 x 100 ppi with regard to text rendering.

Subpixel.jpg

In fact, without it finely-rendered characters actually look MORE color-fringed.

-Noel

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LEGEND ,
Sep 30, 2012 Sep 30, 2012

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I also wonder how this happened:

french.png

in this topic http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1074419 ?

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