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I noticed that a particular thread which receives new replies doesn't pass the "new reply" status along to the thread index so that the (Updated) text-flag gets appended to the thread title.


5. May 13, 2009 3:23 PM in response to:                                     Ramón G Castañeda

Re: Gandhi quote for employees of any entity—and forum hosts

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May 13, 2009 May 13, 2009

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i don't know about you, but i gtet the little red flag, which means it said "(Updated)"

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Advocate ,
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I see the 'updated' flag too.

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dave milbut wrote:

i don't know about you, but i gtet the little red flag, which means it said "(Updated)"

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Hmm...I thought the flag image was merely a replacement for the (Updated) text, and enabled by a script—which I haven't installed.

So now I'm wondering what would enable you to see the flag indicator, but yet I don't see the text?

Good thing I hesitated to unequivocally call it a bug.

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Advocate ,
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I didn't mean literally a flag, I see the Updated text.

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OK, Kath...Now that you replied to the "Gandhi" thread, I see the (Updated) text. But I didn't when Lazi replied, and I didn't when I replied.

And I just replied to that thread again, and (Updated) is missing.

I just replied to Forum session login/timeouts as a test, and I don't see (Updated).

I can understand perhaps not seeing (Updated) when I view the thread index immediately after my own reply. But I can't understand NOT seeing it after a particular user (in this case, Laziboi) replies.

Anomalous, like I said. But sometimes that word can be erroneously used to describe a situation where one has yet to detect a pattern.

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Advocate ,
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I didn't when I replied.

And I just replied to that thread again, and (Updated) is missing.

You won't - no-one sees 'Updated' if their own post is the most recent.

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Kath-H wrote:

I didn't when I replied.

And I just replied to that thread again, and (Updated) is missing.

You won't - no-one sees 'Updated' if their own post is the most recent.

hmmmm, didn't pay any attention to that ...

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Advocate ,
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I suppose the software doesn't use the 'Updated' marker because, well, it knows I've read the last post, I made it. Oh wait ... it KNOWS where I've just been ???

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Kath-H wrote:


You won't - no-one sees 'Updated' if their own post is the most recent.

Sure...THAT part is understandable.

But what I don't get is why I'd see (Updated) after YOU reply, but I don't after Laziboi's reply?

Maybe HE'S the one who is "special?"

How come, when I hover over your avatar, or my avatar, and most others' I see a list of up to 5 recent posts, but when I hover over his I don't? I don't even see his participation in the Gandhi thread until I actually go to his profile page.

Something to do with participating via email?

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Advocate ,
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Could be. Maybe email replies don't trigger 'updated'.

I'll try it, tell me if my next post shows the 'Updated' doo-dah - of course I won't know.

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Now there's a thing! I replied to the 'Slow' thread via email - and I saw my own post trigger the 'Updated' text!

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Before I read your recent posts, I saw that S.D.A. had replied to a thread, and we KNOW he participates via email...sooooo...

Who the hell knows what's going on?

Maybe nobody knows, or if they know, they aren't saying.

Add it to the maybe-we-should-look-into-this list, I guess.

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Guide ,
May 13, 2009 May 13, 2009

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It gets curiouser and curiouser…

Phos± initiates this thread at 12:28 PM on May 13, but, in the initial post he quotes a message posted at 3:23 PM the same day.  

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We're seeing our own time zones. Here's my copy/paste of that message #5.

5. May 13, 2009 12:23 PM in response to:                                     Ramón G Castañeda

Re: Gandhi quote for employees of any entity—and forum hosts

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Guide ,
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Thank you, Mark.

This is an unholy mess!  How are we supposed to keep track of all of this?  (That's a rhetorical question that does not call for an answer.)

Even accounting for the three hours difference, Phos± is quoting a message five minutes into the future.  That's nuts.

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May 14, 2009 May 14, 2009

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Ramón G Castañeda wrote:

Even accounting for the three hours difference, Phos± is quoting a message five minutes into the future.  That's nuts.

WITH A FEW SMALL MODIFICATIONS, ANY CANOE CAN TRAVEL THROUGH TIME!!!

http://www.yellow5.com/pokey/archive/index18.html

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Adobe Employee ,
May 14, 2009 May 14, 2009

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I myself was not clear on how the (Updated) flag worked, so I asked Jive support about how it works, and here's what they said:

The (Updated) flag is part of Read Tracking within the application. When read tracking is enabled the (Updated) flag will display whenever there is a new message in a discussion that you've viewed before.

There are three states that each thread or message can be in:
* UNREAD - the object has never been read. In a skin, a "new" icon should be used for objects in this state
* UPDATED - the object has been read previously, but there have since been updates. In a skin, an "updated" icon should be used for objects in this state.
* READ - the object has been read and there have been no updates to it since.

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Advocate ,
May 14, 2009 May 14, 2009

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But ... there is no 'new' icon.

Also, I have noticed that I do not see 'Updated' if the latest reply is my own - which is logical - but I DO see that if I replied by email.

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Adobe Employee ,
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I believe the "New" indicator is with bold text, with un-bold being the "unread" state. And my understanding is the read/unread tracking is all web-based, which is why you would see "Updated' if you replied by email.

Hope that helps.

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Advocate ,
May 14, 2009 May 14, 2009

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OK thanks, I was reading too much into 'icon'.


If the email system gets properly sorted though, and as many people use it as used NNTP, the read/unread status could get a bit confusing.

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LEGEND ,
May 14, 2009 May 14, 2009

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On the old webx forums, threads were always unread unless viewed in

the web interface as well.

This is nothing new...

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It's new for me, as I only ever used the web interface. If a lot of posts start coming in by email and *not* showing as updated, that would be confusing. Ex-NNTP people probably won't notice the difference.

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