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Feb 18, 2021
07:26 AM
I realize this question is a year and a half old, so either you haven't gotten an answer yet, you've gotten an answer elsewhere, or you've just moved on. Whatever the case, I'm answering it in case someone else finds this question on a search. As you said, you can find the MathML inside an EPS created with MathType. (Actually you didn't mention MathType, but there it is in the first row of your MathML, saying it came from MathType.) There are 3 things you can do: You can take the MathML from the EPS: %<?xmlversion="1.0"?><!--MathType@Translator@5@5@Ma
%thML2(Clipboard).tdl@MathML2.0(Clipboard)@--><math
%display='block'xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/
%MathML'><mrow><mi>V</mi><mi>A</mi><mtext> <
%/mtext><mn>5</mn><mtext> </mtext><munderove
%r><mstylemathsize='140%'displaystyle='true'><mo>&#
%x2211;</mo></mstyle><mrow><mi>t</mi><mtext> 
%;</mtext><mn>5</mn><mtext> </mtext><mn>1</m
%n></mrow><mi>n</mi></munderover><mfencedclose="}"o
%pen="{"><mrow><mfrac><mrow><mi>E</mi><mostretchy='
%false'>(</mo><mi>C</mi><msub><mi>F</mi><mrow><mi>&
%#x0024;</mi><mo>,</mo><mi>t</mi></mrow></msub><mos
%tretchy='false'>)</mo></mrow><mrow><msup><mrow><mo
%stretchy='false'>(</mo><mstylemathvariant='bold'ma
%thsize='normal'><mn>1</mn></mstyle><mtext> 
%</mtext><mn>1</mn><mtext> </mtext><mi>k</mi
%><mostretchy='false'>)</mo></mrow><mi>t</mi></msup
%></mrow></mfrac></mrow></mfenced></mrow></math><!-
%-MathType@End@5@5@-->! But once you get it, what do you do with it? You can't just copy it and paste it into MathType, because it doesn't look like MathML to MathType. Even if you find & replace to remove all the comment characters (%) and copy everything between <math> and </math> and paste that into MathType, it still won't work. So basically this chunk of commented EPS that looks like MathML isn't very useful to you. There is also "MTEF" (i.e., MathType Equation Format) code inside the EPS. It looks like this: %MathType!MTEF!1!1!+-
%feaahqart1ev3aaatCvAUfeBSjuyZL2yd9gzLbvyNv2Caerbqf
%gBHrxAU9gimLMBVrxEWvgarmWu51MyVXgaruavP1wzZbItLDhi
%s9wBH5garqqtubsr4rNCHbGeaGqiFu0Je9sqqrpepC0xbbL8F4
%rqqrFfpeea0xe9Lq-Jc9vqaqpepm0xbba9pwe9Q8fs0-yqaqpe
%pae9pg0FirpepeKkFr0xfr-xfr-xb9adbaqaaeGaciGaaiaabe
%qaaiqadaabaaGcbaaeaaaaaaaaa8qacaWGwbGaamyqaiaabcka
%caaI1aGaaeiOamaawahabeWcpaqaa8qacaWG0bGaaeiOaiaaiw
%dacaqGGcGaaGymaaWdaeaapeGaamOBaaqdpaqaa8qacqGHris5
%aaGcdaGadaWdaeaapeWaaSaaa8aabaWdbiaadweacaGGOaGaam
%4qaiaadAeapaWaaSbaaSqaa8qacaGGKaGaaiilaiaadshaa8aa
%beaak8qacaGGPaaapaqaa8qacaGGOaGaaCymaiaabckacaaIXa
%GaaeiOaiaadUgacaGGPaWdamaaCaaaleqabaWdbiaadshaaaaa
%aaGccaGL7bGaayzFaaaaaa!55FD! You can copy all of that and paste it into MathType and you'll have your equation. It works, but why not just do the easiest thing? That's next... Since the EPS was created with MathType, you can open it with MathType. So just open it: So there it is. In a comment you said your goal "is to get the MathML equation from EPS image which i have posted". So there's the equation. You want the MathML with styling, so go to MathType's Preferences menu, then Cut and Copy Preferences. Set thusly: Now copy the equation and you have the MathML with styling: <math display='block' xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML'><mrow><mi>V</mi><mi>A</mi><mtext> </mtext><mn>5</mn><mtext> </mtext><munderover><mstyle mathsize='140%' displaystyle='true'><mo>∑</mo></mstyle><mrow><mi>t</mi><mtext> </mtext><mn>5</mn><mtext> </mtext><mn>1</mn></mrow><mi>n</mi></munderover><mfenced close="}" open="{"><mrow><mfrac><mrow><mi>E</mi><mo stretchy='false'>(</mo><mi>C</mi><msub><mi>F</mi><mrow><mi>$</mi><mo>,</mo><mi>t</mi></mrow></msub><mo stretchy='false'>)</mo></mrow><mrow><msup><mrow><mo stretchy='false'>(</mo><mstyle mathvariant='bold' mathsize='normal'><mn>1</mn></mstyle><mtext> </mtext><mn>1</mn><mtext> </mtext><mi>k</mi><mo stretchy='false'>)</mo></mrow><mi>t</mi></msup></mrow></mfrac></mrow></mfenced></mrow></math>
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Oct 18, 2018
11:19 AM
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It's impossible to answer the question because there's not enough detailed information -- what versions of MathType and InDesign, what operating system, how are you "importing MathType to InDesign", and anything else that's important to your workflow. Rather than add the details here though, it's best if you do what Steve Werner suggested -- contact MathType support at support@wiris.com. Please provide all the information I mentioned here when you write.
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Oct 10, 2018
07:01 AM
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I'm sorry I'm seeing this late; I was not notified of the post, or that it mentioned me. I wouldn't have had anything to add though, because vladan saveljic has already given some excellent advice, and it is the same as what I would have written. I think the major points are these: Don't use WMF; use EPS/none. It is possible to position the equations precisely, but to do it without a script requires doing it one at a time. The script Vladan recommended is not an expensive one (and it is not ours, but I recommend it). Only you can decide if you can afford it, but if it were me, it would be worth it if I had only one document to process. Sometimes even after you've done everything right, some symbols still come out wrong. Some of those cases are resolved by using a different font -- Euclid Extra in place of MT Extra, for example -- or by saving equations as PDF vice EPS. (MathType for Windows will not save PDF directly, but MathType for Mac will. On Windows, you have to use the PDF printer driver to get PDF equations.) Bob Mathews Wiris America, makers of MathType
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Jul 27, 2018
03:50 PM
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Sorry for the delay; I just now saw your post while looking at another thread. Please see the parallel thread here: Re: Internal link to eq. numbers from Word
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Feb 19, 2018
09:07 AM
2 Upvotes
I've been in contact with Vinicius by email, and have given him some of the details of the issue. I'll repeat that here, for the benefit of anyone else who may be following this thread. Also, I'm including what I believe to be the best way to solve the issue (I don't think there's really a good way that's quick, but this is the best I know). The issue is related to two things. First thing is that when you have a document created in Word for Windows, with MathType equations, and place that document into InDesign for Windows, InDesign uses a process to convert the equations into EPS, but they’re not pure EPS. They’re a combination of EPS and WMF. This isn’t the same as an EPS with a WMF preview image. It’s an EPS with also elements of WMF inside. That’s really all the information I can provide about that because I don’t fully understand it myself, but that explains why there are sometimes problems displaying these equations on a Mac – normally you can’t open a WMF on a Mac. (There are exceptions, sure, which is why I said normally.) The second component to the issue is that of fonts. An EPS file is rendered when the rendering engine interprets the instructions encoded inside the EPS. If the EPS contains text or is a MathType equation, part of those instructions will be which font to use to render the image by the computer display (or other rendering engine, such as Adobe Acrobat, etc.). Thus, it’s critical that the fonts used in the equations must accompany the document so they can be found when the document is opened on a different computer. In the case of equations, one of the most common fonts used is Symbol font, and this one is particularly problematic when going from Windows to Mac, because the fonts are different. Since Symbol font on Windows is different from Symbol font on the Mac, and also since this is the main thing causing the garbled & substituted characters in the original screen shot above, here's my workaround for that. This requires both Windows and Mac computers or virtual machines, so clearly this isn't a solution for everyone. If the equations are appearing normally on the Mac, there's no need to change anything. The only equations I changed were the ones that were incorrect (as you see above). I started with the original Word document, which I opened in Word 2016 for Windows. I double-clicked to open the equations (one at a time) in MathType. Again, no need to do this for the ones that look OK on the Mac. Without changing anything in MathType, I saved as EPS/none (that is, in EPS format with no preview image). I opened these MathType/Windows EPS equations in MathType/Mac. Without changing anything, I saved them with the same name as the original. This is necessary because InDesign already knows the size and baseline adjustment (vertical shift) for each equation. You can name them whatever you want, but if you do, you'll need to do more to position the equations in the document. After doing all of that, I updated the links in InDesign. Here's the result:
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Feb 16, 2018
11:05 AM
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https://forums.adobe.com/people/Steve+Werner wrote Then you need to ask MathType tech support how they suggest disabling the mac Symbol font. That's NOT usually recommended on any Macintosh computer. That font could be used by the operating system or other applications. Right. That wasn't our recommendation. I think there's some confusion here, but we're in contact by email. I'll follow up here with the resolution. I think the confusion was in the replacing of Symbol font within these equations with the Euclid Symbol font. We don't recommend disabling the Mac Symbol font. Bob Mathews Wiris America (formerly Design Science, makers of MathType)
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Feb 13, 2018
05:05 PM
Hello Aspa, My response for this issue is the same as for the issue you linked, except you've already tried the first part of that issue. I know of no other solution than my point 2 in the previous response, which I'll repeat here for simplicity: Try to print the equations as PDF. It makes sense to do this only to the ones with missing or substituted symbols. Then in InDesign, replace the EPSs generated from the Word-to-InDesign process with the PDFs you saved directly. Note that these PDF equations will appear to be full letter-sized (or A4) documents, but InDesign will resize them appropriately. When I say I know of no other solution than these 2 (using Euclid fonts or using PDF instead of EPS equations), that is to say I currently know of no other solution. This is something we hope to address in a future release of MathType. For example, it's likely that a future release of MathType 7 will include SVG capability. I say "future release" not redundantly, but to mean that the initial release of MathType 7 may not be capable of SVG. After its initial release though, we plan on monthly updates, so watch for improvements. (We also have great technical support -- support@wiris.com. Feel free to email us directly.) Bob Mathews Wiris America, makers of MathType
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Jan 10, 2018
06:04 AM
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I can answer kundumanab's issue, but first to address @Michael+Witherell's question, "what does None imply?" MathType can save EPS either with a preview image or without. "EPS/None" is pure EPS without the TIFF or WMF preview image that EPS/TIFF or EPS/WMF would provide. Since InDesign generates its own display image, EPS/None is the preferred format when saving MathType equations for use in InDesign. kundumanab, the links jane-e provided are good ones to reference in the future. For this specific issue, it doesn't look that U+2510 will display in InDesign when saved as EPS from MathType. I tried not only Batang font, but also Malgun Gothic, and neither will display. Here's what it looks like for me (explanation follows): The two placed graphics at the top are EPSs saved from MathType. The 3 in the left column are Batang font; the 3 in the right column are Malgun Gothic. The bottom 4 graphics are PDFs. MathType for Mac can save as PDF directly from MathType. Since you're using Windows, you can use the PDF print driver. The 2 in the second row were printed with the Adobe PDF print driver. The 2 in the bottom row used the "Microsoft Print to PDF" print driver. So choose whichever method works best for you. To summarize -- when inserting graphics into InDesign that came from MathType, if something doesn't display properly, try a different font. If EPS doesn't work, try PDF. With MathType 7 (due in a few months), we'll have a new font handler that should provide a better experience than this. I can't say whether U+2510 will display in EPSs from MathType 7 because I haven't tried it, but over all MathType 7 will handle fonts better than MathType 6.x does, and will provide better capability when using with InDesign. Bob Mathews WIRIS America, creators of MathType
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Dec 19, 2017
04:42 AM
Glad to help; glad it's all working now.
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Dec 18, 2017
03:24 PM
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The article Vladan Linked to is essential reading if you're working with MathType and InDesign. Also, since it seems you've had some degree of success with the Word to InDesign workflow, I must assume you're using Windows, since this basically doesn't work on Mac -- not with equations anyway. Two suggestions: In the MathType equations in the Word document, try the "Euclid" fonts for "Greek and math" style (Style > Define in MathType). Failing that, try to print the equations as PDF. It makes sense to do this only to the ones with missing or substituted symbols. Then in InDesign, replace the EPSs generated from the Word-to-InDesign process with the PDFs you saved directly. Note that these PDF equations will appear to be full letter-sized documents, but InDesign will resize them appropriately. Bob Mathews WIRIS America Makers of MathType
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Dec 15, 2017
04:13 AM
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There are solutions that allow fairly easy typing of mathematical expressions into web pages -- some with a point & click GUI, some by typing LaTeX. Most work on any browser. This search shows several: https://www.google.com/search?q=web+page+math+entry+gui&oq=web+page+math+entry+gui With regard to MathML support in browsers, B i r n o u is correct that currently only gecko allows this, but there is a significant move afoot to enable it in Chrome. There is also halfway-decent MathML support in Safari. Not complete support, but depending on your application, it may work.
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Dec 13, 2017
10:27 AM
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You're correct that MathJax in itself does require some knowledge of LaTeX syntax. There are GUI plug-ins though, that can allow the end user/website visitor to point & click to build a mathematical expression. I'm sure this is intended to be a neutral site, so rather than point you to a specific one or two, I bet if you do a Google search for user math entry in web pages or some similar string, you can find several to choose from.
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Dec 13, 2017
08:01 AM
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I see the "page from the link you provided" you're referring to is the one to MathML. I'd like to point out the other one is perhaps more useful. MathJax works in all browsers on all platforms, mobile devices included.
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Dec 13, 2017
05:46 AM
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From your original description, it seems like you're wanting to build a web page to allow user input of some type -- in a form perhaps? If this is the case, really none of the suggestions here are what you're after. The other responses were based on you being the one to enter these mathematical symbols or expressions. If I have understood correctly and it's the user who will be entering this information, you can't require the user to already have an understanding of HTML entities or the like. You'll need some sort of user interface that enables mathematical input. There are some available if that's what you're after.
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Nov 20, 2017
06:03 AM
There's a much easier way than that -- download the MathType font installers. If you don't need MathType, but only need the fonts, they're free: MathType: Font Installers. No need to go to the trouble of unzipping the MathType installer.
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Nov 06, 2017
07:55 AM
That's what I was thinking about with this sentence: If the equations are not from Word, there's no [easy] way to correct the padding in batch. If it's possible to correct the padding on all of your EPSs, I'm not aware of how to do that, whether in batch or individually.
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Oct 30, 2017
01:09 PM
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You didn't say how you're getting the equations into InDesign, nor even that they're EPSs. If they're from a Word document, and if you're getting them into InDesign for Windows by placing the entire Word document into InDesign, then Loic.Aigon is mostly correct. The equations are converted on the fly to EPS, but it's InDesign that does it, not MathType. Whether they come from Word or not, MathType by default adds 2 pixels of padding to all sides of an equation. You can change this value (make sure to exit MathType first -- including the MathType Server in the SYSTRAY/Notification Area if you're on Windows): Windows: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Design Science\DSMT6\Windows (change PicturePadding) Mac: ~/Library/Preferences/com.DesignScience.DSMT6.plist (change <key>Windows/PicturePadding</key>) If they're in Word, change the value identified above, then with the document open in Word, run the Convert Equations command (on the MathType tab in Word for Windows or the MathType menu in Word 2011). "Convert" MathType equations to MathType equations, and it will apply the new padding value. If the equations are not from Word, there's no [easy] way to correct the padding in batch. Bob Mathews WIRIS Science, creators of MathType
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Oct 04, 2017
07:00 AM
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If the equations are in Word, then yes. You can "Export Equations" (in Word's MathType tab), choosing Adobe PDF as the File type. I don't know of a batch process for EPS to PDF conversion -- not one that retains the equation properties anyway. Try the process Vladan mentioned, and if it works for you, great. I know if you open a MathType EPS in AI though, when you save it, it's no longer editable in MathType. If that's OK, then that's a great solution. You're correct about the whitespace between the equation content and the frame when saving as PDF. We're looking at tweaking that, but I'm not sure if there's anything we can do, since it's happening during the "print to PDF" process. I don't see anything in the PDF job options that will reduce the padding. I thought I had found the answer (BRISS - The Bright Snippet Sire), but it didn't work for me.
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Oct 03, 2017
12:15 PM
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Senthil, Barb and Vladan both have given some excellent advice. I hope you've taken it seriously. (I see all support email that comes in for MathType, and I don't recall seeing one from you; please let me know if we somehow missed it.) The first article Vladan linked contains the answer. The title of the article may sound like it doesn't apply to you, but it does. Please read it. Here's a comparison of what I see in InDesign with EPS (top) and PDF (bottom): You shouldn't have to do that for every MathType equation, but sometimes it's literally the only solution that works. We expect the situation to be better with MathType 7, which will have a new font manager that's capable of more fonts and more symbols. We're not projecting a release date for that yet, but it's at least several months away. Bob Mathews WIRIS Science America Design Science and WIRIS team have joined forces! Thank you for your patience as we transition from dessci.com to wiris.com.
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Jul 19, 2017
06:22 AM
If you're using Cambria Math font in MathType, please be aware we advise against that: MathType: Spacing issues in matrices and piecewise functions. Bob Mathews Design Science (makers of MathType)
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Jul 07, 2017
08:22 AM
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We can help you better if you can email MathType Support (if you don't know the address, it's on our website; not sure if I can include it here). If you email us, please send us this InDesign document from the screen shot, as well as the Word document with the equations in it. Batch process for formatting? Yes -- see MathType: Tips & Tricks: Formatting multiple equations in a Word document. "Automated process"? Can you describe this?
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Jul 07, 2017
06:15 AM
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Thanks for the screen shot. I need to know 2 things: How are you saving the equations from MathType? (what format) How are you getting them into InDesign? There is an article here about using MathType with InDesign. It will be helpful if you have not seen it yet. http://www.dessci.com/en/support/MathType/works_with.asp#!target=indesign Bob Mathews Design Science (MathType)
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Aug 24, 2015
08:51 AM
We're aware of one script that does this quite nicely, but it's available for Windows only. It's MT-Script, and is mentioned (and linked) in the first paragraph under Step by Step Instructions in our article about using MathType with InDesign: http://www.dessci.com/en/support/MathType/works_with.asp#!target=indesign. I'm not aware of a script that does the same thing on a Mac. There may be one, but I haven't seen it yet. Bob Mathews Design Science
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Feb 11, 2014
05:16 PM
You didn't say whether you're using Windows or Mac, but if it's Windows, have you tried placing the entire Word document into InDesign? When you do so, the MathType equations will be converted to EPS, and will be properly aligned already. See our article for more information. Message was edited by: MrMathType. Hyperlink was messed up the first time.
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Jan 13, 2014
06:28 AM
There must be part of the picture that's missing here. As you can see from my brief little test, the square root symbols on Windows and Mac are identical. Perhaps you can include more detailed information about your workflow (how are you saving the equations, how are you getting them into the document, what version of MathType you're using, what font, etc.), and attach a screen shot and/or a sample document. Bob
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Dec 09, 2013
08:24 PM
Vandy88 is correct -- InDesign doesn't support MathML, but MathType does, and you can use MathType with MathML. However, I don't want to cloud the issue or introduce confusion -- using MathType with InDesign means you'll insert the equations into the document as EPS, not as MathML. Even if you use MathType to process the MathML, the MathML equations still aren't recognizable by InDesign, and they'll need to be in graphical format. Unless you're tied to InDesign, there are some really nice XML+MathML solutions available in the marketplace, but this probably isn't the right forum to discuss that.
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Oct 25, 2013
08:43 AM
Maria, I watch this InDesign forum every day, and somehow missed your reply from last week. ConvertEquations.exe wasn't intended to be run separately; it was intended as an example of how you can program your own applications to interface with MathType's API. To convert from MT WMF to MT EPS -- are the MT WMFs in Word? If so, that's what the Export Equations command (on the MathType menu in Word) is for. I think it may be best if we continue the discussion by email. Can you email us at support@dessci.com? Thanks, Bob
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Oct 17, 2013
07:48 AM
This should work in Windows 8. Can you be more specific than "I am not able to get [it] to work"? Are you getting any error messages?
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Oct 15, 2013
08:15 AM
Gopal, sorry for the delay. Our developer with the most knowledge in this area has been out for a few days, but I can say the MathType SDK has been updated to include more doc, and a sample app for working with EGO. If you're using the latest version of the SDK, that should get you where you need to be. I don't know about a full spec of EGO. You can't use Xcode for MathType development.
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Sep 27, 2013
07:54 AM
Not exactly sure why I didn't reply to this a year ago, but for Gopal's benefit, we provide the MathType SDK for free. It contains all the hooks you should need for this type of project. https://www.dessci.com/en/reference/sdk/
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