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May 25, 2020
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Why does the Gamut Warning change when I change rendering intent?

  • May 25, 2020
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When I change 'Rendering Intent' (Color Sttings => Conversion Option => Intent) the size of the 'out of gamut' area changes (View => Gaumt Warning). Why is this? My undertsnading is that 'rendering intent' defines the method for handling out of gamut colors. I did not expect it to have any effect on which colours are in or out of gamut.

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D Fosse
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May 26, 2020

Yes. Black point compensation should always be on. In a normal situation there is no reason to ever uncheck it.

rob day
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May 25, 2020

Here’s an illustration showing why you want to use BPC, especially when the Intent is Relative Colorimetric. There are 4 samples showing as actual color RGB in the Info panel, and there is significant separation in the Actual values between #1 and  #4:

 

 

If I set the samples to Total Ink, I can see #1 thru #3 will output to the same CMYK values:

 

 

Turning on BPC creates relative separation between all 4 output values:

 

rob day
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May 25, 2020

The gamut warning difference is coming from your Black Point Compensation setting, which is also showing in the shadow output numbers. I think in general you should always check BPC, otherwise your shadows will fill in on press—with it unchecked there is less separation between the black point and shadow numbers on the conversion:

 

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May 25, 2020

NB, colourmanagement
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May 25, 2020

Hi

its not possible for me to answer this with complete authority, because what happens inside Photoshop's programming isn't known to we forum volunteers.

 

However, my friend Steve Upton of Chromix, [software engineer & developer of the excellent ICC profile "Swiss army knife" toolbox: Colorthink and Colorthink Pro] has a take on this that makes sense. Here is my understanding of our talk.

Colorthink SW has a gamut warning option http://www.colorwiki.com/wiki/Quantify_Out_Of_Gamut_Colors and that can show out of gamut areas differently to Photoshop's [it also has a sliding scale]. Steve explained why they differ, in his opinion, as I understood it - what Adobe are showing you in Photoshop is which pixels will be remapped [during the conversion] by an amount that exceeds a certain threshold.

So, that’s apparently not, strictly speaking, showing you just what is outside the destination gamut boundary, rather revealing which pixels may be compromised by extensive remapping. Its useful, of course, and does the job, but Steve thinks it's not quite doing what most users think it is. 

here's a discussion on gamut warning: https://lists.apple.com/archives/colorsync-users/2008/Feb/msg00200.html

 

The Relative Colorimetric and Perceptual rendering intents deal with the mapping of out of gamut colour differently (you know that, right) and that's probably why you may see a difference in the "gamut warning" in some images and with some colour spaces.

That, or one of the profiles is broken somehow, or poorly crafted!

In a quick test I could not reproduce what you are seeing - 

Please attach your test image [or upload to wetransfer and post a link] with the document profile embedded, of course and also let us know the profile you're using in proof /setup. If it's a custom profile please upload that too.

 

I hope this helps

if so, please "like" my reply and if you're OK now, please mark it as "correct", so that others who have similar issues can see the solution

thanks

neil barstow, colourmanagement.net :: adobe forum volunteer

[please do not use the reply button on a message in the thread, only use the one at the top of the page, to maintain the thread title and the chronological order]

 

Participant
May 25, 2020

Thanks NB_Colourmanagement (and Steve - Colorthink pro is very useful software)

I understand your thinking, but still can't reconcile this with my observations.

For all rendering intents, every pixel that is out of gamut has to be moved into gamut when converting colourspace. If your explination was correct, it would suggest that 'Perceptual' intent should have the same or more 'Gamut Warnings' than 'Relative Colorimetric' intent (out of gamut pixels + colours moved inside gamut).  On the contrary, I have found that 'Relative Colorimetric' intent shows more 'Gamut Warning' pixels than 'Perceptual' intent.

 

Below is an extract of text from the Photoshop documentation. I have highlighted in red the statement on what 'Gaumet Warning' is meant to do:

 

"Identify out‑of‑gamut colors

A gamut is the range of colors that a color system can display or print. A color that can be displayed in RGB could be out of gamut, and therefore unprintable, for your CMYK setting.

In RGB mode, you can tell whether a color is out of gamut in the following ways:

  • In the Info panel, an exclamation point appears next to the CMYK values whenever you move the pointer over an out‑of‑gamut color.

  • In both the Color Picker and the Color panel, an alert triangle appears. When you select an out‑of‑gamut color, the closest CMYK equivalent is displayed. To select the CMYK equivalent, click the triangle or the color patch.

    Photoshop automatically brings all colors into gamut when you convert an RGB image to CMYK. Note that some detail in the image may be lost, depending on your conversion options. You can identify the out‑of‑gamut colors in an image or correct them manually before converting to CMYK. You can use the Gamut Warning command to highlight out‑of‑gamut colors."