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January 22, 2023
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This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.
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The Lightroom team is sharing an early look at Generative Remove, which makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions, even on complex backgrounds, with a simple brush stroke. Generative Remove is powered by Firefly AI.

How to use Generative Remove on a desktop:

You can find Generative Remove under the newly renamed Remove panel (aka “Heal”).
Make sure the “generative AI” checkbox is enabled before you start brushing (note: when unchecked, Lightroom will use Content-Aware Remove to fill your brushed spots).
By default, you will be given a moment to refine your selection with an add or subtract brush. Remember to include shadows for a more accurate result! You can also skip this step by holding down ‘CTRL’ on windows or ‘CMD’ on mac as you finish your brush stroke.
Once you’re ready to apply and have accepted the terms, Generative Remove will use Firefly AI to remove your distractions and intelligently fill in the space that’s left by the removed objects.
Note: stable internet connection is required to use this feature.
Generative Remove also lets you choose from multiple variations, so you can pick the one you like best, giving you full creative control.

Checkout the FAQ and Best Practices

Please give it a try and share feedback and/or report variations in this community forum. It would greatly help to include details like which app you are using (i.e., Lightroom Classic or Camera Raw) and other system details. Our team will continually monitor this thread to track issues to improve the future experience.

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager
Posted by: Rikk Flohr

Update (Dec 2024): With the new release, it is no longer necessary to perform Generative Remove Operations prior to Cropping.

Update:

Here are some tips if you are having issues with the feature replacing your object instead of removing it.

Enlarge your selection - if your brush stroke is too tight, you will have unexpected results.
Remember that removing an object means painting over it, its shadow, its reflection, and any non-contiguous pieces. If you leave behind a shadow, a reflection, or a disconnected piece (e.g., a hand on a shoulder), the AI will attempt to create something to cast the shadow, reflect, or complete the unbrushed discontinuous item. You can avoid these issues by following the guidance provided in this linked tutorial. https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace

The recommended order for applying edits is:

Denoise
Heal (includes Generative AI Remove)
Crop (includes traditional Cropping, Lens Correction, Transform, or any operation changing the geometry of the image, including round-tripping to PS to use Gen-Expand)
Global Edits
AI Selective edits (Sky, Person, etc)

If you deviate from that, you may see the removed object remain as a ghost image. If this occurs, you will have to use Update AI Settings, which can be found under the Develop module 'Settings' menu.

Correct answer daleducatte

Hi, I'm getting the same error messages, as are some other people. There's a recent post on Reddit from an Adobe employee that Adobe is aware of the problem and is working on it. See here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Lightroom/comments/1fka2el/suddenly_unable_to_use_the_remove_tool_due_to/

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DTM777

Participant

AI-powered Generative Remove performed extremely poorly for me. Removing a pretty simple, very linear brick wall from the lower left corner of an image (with uniformly textured green grass sorrounding it) should have been an easy task, even without AI. However, applying the AI Generative Remove was a complete disaster (result looked more like a very crude, early-2000s rendition of clone/heal brush). I tried every available option and adjustment, all without success. Very disappointing performance, especially given the animated GIF marketing snippet that accompanies the AI Generative Remove feature, which depicts three [very deceptively] impressive results. While I appreciate being able to "beta test" this feature, regrettably, it has a long way to go before it's ready for release.

johnrellis

Legend

@DTM777: "Removing a pretty simple, very linear brick wall from the lower left corner of an image"

Your photo very possibly has cropped out pixels on the edge next to the brick wall, due to Crop, Transform, or Lens Corrections. Remove looks at all the pixels of the photo and tries to match those cropped-out pixels. Disable Crop, Transform, and Lens Corrections before doing Remove.

If that doesn't help, see this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if that still doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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Richard3873231739il

Participant

Recent update is using the same keyboard shortcut for another function.

I was using CTRL + ALT + o to show the loup overlay in Develop mode in Lightroom Classic.

After updating today to Ver. 13.4, the CTRL + ALT + o taggles the Object aware aware function of the generative AI.

I can still turn on the loup overlay from the menus, but even the menu option still shows the keyboar shortcut. I does still works when in Library mode, but it is only useful to me in Develop mode.

johnrellis

Legend

@Richard3873231739il: "I was using CTRL + ALT + o to show the loup overlay in Develop mode in Lightroom Classic.

After updating today to Ver. 13.4, the CTRL + ALT + o taggles the Object aware aware function of the generative AI."

LR 13.4 assigned Ctrl Alt O / Cmd Opt O to both Object Aware and Loupe Overlay > Show. Adobe has acknowledged this bug:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/p-shortcut-ctrl-alt-o-show-loupe-overlay-doesn-t-work/idi-p/14701774

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roger75lee

Participant

I love the new feature, it often gives me great results but when it doesn't it doesn't. I use this primarily to remove all the people off the beach during beach weddings. I do love that you are improving the feature, I have been a lot happier since it has been added.

johnrellis

Legend

@roger75lee: "it often gives me great results but when it doesn't it doesn't"

Attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from an unmodified original photo in which Remove doesn't work well for you. We can either give you a simple tip for making it work better or, if not, it will provide Adobe with another example of where they need to improve.

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East End Steve

Participating Frequently

I have generally found it to work well.

What I'm writing below may be overly descriptive but I'm hoping it will enable Adobe's developers to solve the problems I have been encountering.

Note that the photo I'm working on is my own, shot yesterday on a Nikon Z8, is the raw (NEF) image. This particular image is a virtual LrC copy. Note also that non-human objects have been erased effectively in earlier croppings of this image (although several tries are sometimes required to make images adjacent to the edge of the photo to entirely disappear. I have also seen this type of behavior in inPixio's "Eraser" function, the only reason I have inPixio; I have been hoping this capability in LrC would make an inPixio subscription renewal unnecessary.).

However, on the image I'm currently editing, I am trying to erase a face that's in the photo with the main subject. Then weirdness happens: Instead of erasing the face, it inserts a face that isn't even in the photo. I try it again and, instead of erasing the face, it inserts a random face that is not even in the photo or any photo I have ever taken, as far as I can recall.

Where are these faces coming from???

Here's the original before I attempt to erase the fellow on the lower left...

Here's the image with that fellow marked for erasure...

And after I hit the "Apply" button...

After I hit the "Refresh" button...

And again...

And so on...

So, for completeness, I'll tell you that I have:

- LrC 13-3

- Windows 10, the absolute latest update...

- A Powerspec G701 with an 8-core Ryzen 7 processor and 48GB of RAM, Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070, lots of swap space and storage

So, please tell me what's going on and how I can make this work correctly. I'll be happy with workarounds, in order to get complete what I have to get done.

Also, do you have any idea who these other people are (are they even real?), and where they're being sourced for insertion into my image?

Thanks!

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Corniger

Inspiring

Note also that non-human objects have been erased effectively in earlier croppings of this image

By @East End Steve

Rules of engagement simplified:
No touching of the image prior to removal except denoising

ImaRetiredTeacher

Known Participant

Hello,

I would love it if the shortcut to Increase/Decrease the size of the heal brush by the brackets had the bug removed: it works only after it is adjusted at least once with the slider.

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gordonm67764613

Participating Frequently

It's there, just scroll the wheel on your mouse up or down.

ImaRetiredTeacher

Known Participant

Thanks for the reply. I'm asking about using the [ ] on the keyboard to adjust the size of the brush.

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DTungate

Participant

Overall this is working well for me. I too sometimes get wierd results but I find that changing the brush area helps, and sometimes I'll accept the results then redo the remove.

Suggestions:

1. I don't know if it's somethingwith my settings but using my enter key will not accept the 1st Variation. If I scroll through the Variations then my enter key will accept any version.

2. Being able to use the arrow keys to advance through the Variations would help with work flow.

Thanks!

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davidr99294704

Participant

Tried to remove a brick wall on the side of my image hoping it would be replaced by bushes that surrounded the selection...it just kept generating different brick walls in all shapes and sizes.

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gordonm67764613

Participating Frequently

Are you sure you didn't crop the image first? If you do, the AI will look
outside your crop to choose what to replace with. There is a popup box that
sort of suggests that you need to remove first before anything else.pretty
much.

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Jim330107399f5o

Participant

It took me a few minutes to get used to this tool. It did exactly what I wanted it to do.

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MaryEllyn22562693ti8v

Participant

I had a great day yesterday using Generative AI. I purposively took photos where I would have to remove objects but still wanted the background to look like it was in the scene. My biggest success was removing a side of car parked near the river. I was impressed with its removal and how the other bank that was covered up by the car looked like the car was never there.....Very, very impressive.

I took the advice of painting beyond the car and included all reflections and other artifacts. I used Generative AI Remove in the start of my workflow.