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This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.
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The Lightroom team is sharing an early look at Generative Remove, which makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions, even on complex backgrounds, with a simple brush stroke. Generative Remove is powered by Firefly AI.

How to use Generative Remove on a desktop:

You can find Generative Remove under the newly renamed Remove panel (aka “Heal”).
Make sure the “generative AI” checkbox is enabled before you start brushing (note: when unchecked, Lightroom will use Content-Aware Remove to fill your brushed spots).
By default, you will be given a moment to refine your selection with an add or subtract brush. Remember to include shadows for a more accurate result! You can also skip this step by holding down ‘CTRL’ on windows or ‘CMD’ on mac as you finish your brush stroke.
Once you’re ready to apply and have accepted the terms, Generative Remove will use Firefly AI to remove your distractions and intelligently fill in the space that’s left by the removed objects.
Note: stable internet connection is required to use this feature.
Generative Remove also lets you choose from multiple variations, so you can pick the one you like best, giving you full creative control.

Checkout the FAQ and Best Practices

Please give it a try and share feedback and/or report variations in this community forum. It would greatly help to include details like which app you are using (i.e., Lightroom Classic or Camera Raw) and other system details. Our team will continually monitor this thread to track issues to improve the future experience.

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager
Posted by: Rikk Flohr

Update (Dec 2024): With the new release, it is no longer necessary to perform Generative Remove Operations prior to Cropping.

Update:

Here are some tips if you are having issues with the feature replacing your object instead of removing it.

Enlarge your selection - if your brush stroke is too tight, you will have unexpected results.
Remember that removing an object means painting over it, its shadow, its reflection, and any non-contiguous pieces. If you leave behind a shadow, a reflection, or a disconnected piece (e.g., a hand on a shoulder), the AI will attempt to create something to cast the shadow, reflect, or complete the unbrushed discontinuous item. You can avoid these issues by following the guidance provided in this linked tutorial. https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace

The recommended order for applying edits is:

Denoise
Heal (includes Generative AI Remove)
Crop (includes traditional Cropping, Lens Correction, Transform, or any operation changing the geometry of the image, including round-tripping to PS to use Gen-Expand)
Global Edits
AI Selective edits (Sky, Person, etc)

If you deviate from that, you may see the removed object remain as a ghost image. If this occurs, you will have to use Update AI Settings, which can be found under the Develop module 'Settings' menu.

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Hi, I'm getting the same error messages, as are some other people. There's a recent post on Reddit from an Adobe employee that Adobe is aware of the problem and is working on it. See here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Lightroom/comments/1fka2el/suddenly_unable_to_use_the_remove_tool_due_to/

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Lucas38711514k2dq

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LEGAL

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Carlos.solor

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This actually has been great to use for small little details for me. Love the options its given so far and I cant wait to explore more with it.

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gordonm67764613

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Hi. I have used this new feature with amazing results but today, no matter what I do I continue to get a dark outline of the area selected. It is one of the easiest objects I have tried to remove but for some reason not today. You can see the area selected outline infont of the bird's beak & I have tried to include the bird on the branch above too just to see ifthe outline will go away but it doesn't.

johnrellis

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@gordonm67764613: "You can see the area selected outline infont of the bird's beak & I have tried to include the bird on the branch above too just to see ifthe outline will go away but it doesn't."

Do you have an AI mask (e.g. Background) applied to that area? If so, then do Settings > Update AI Settings.

If not, there have been several reports here about the replacements not getting matched well with the background, leaving this kind of outline or difference in texture. Using a larger, more raggedy selection has avoided the the problem in the other examples:

If this doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the original unmodified photo.

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gordonm67764613

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Hi.

No I don't have a background mask there, I made sure to check for that
first.

Cheers

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photobyderek

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Have found it effective generally, but difficult at the edge of frame. Most recently, tried to remove a small patch of stray, thin tree branches from the edge of frame but with several attempts was unable to remove them completely. The tool kept retaining some of the branches. It got close on one occasion so I will keep trying, but the software clearly didn't want to remove them all. It's still a great tool though.

johnrellis

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@photobyderek: "difficult at the edge of frame. Most recently, tried to remove a small patch of stray, thin tree branches from the edge of frame but with several attempts was unable to remove them completely. The tool kept retaining some of the branches."

Have you applied Crop, Lens Correction, or Transform? If so, disable those before using Remove, which tries to match the pixels that have been cropped out. See here for more details:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo and let us know which precise camera model, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to remove the desired objects.

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photobyderek

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John, I will try that, it makes sense. Thank you for the response.

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Stephen38681363d2d7

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I am assuming that this forum is where the Devs want us to comment on where things didn't work as desired. In no way am i trying to come across as some Guru. I did steps 1-4 of your suggestion somewhat naturally, but I don't know what "5. AI selective edits" means.

-Opinion- So I have found that treating an area of my photo with this tool works best when only dotting the removal. Which is the preferred method when dealing with skin blemishes in my opinion. -Bad- I noticed when I use the tool in a brushing movement, for things like the exccessive amount of wrinkle line in the neck as the model is rotating their head to look beyond their shoulder, it seems like it is just using the cloning brush. I notice the corrections the most when I use my zoom function to check how sharp my picture is. I have tried large brush stroke, tight brush stroke, tried short brush strokes. I only tried to remove one wrinkle line at a time. And I wasn't removing all the wrinkles, just the excessive ones so deviation of my shadows stepped down nicely from one wrinkle line to the next. So after all those different methods, brushing the removal tool is not ideal.

-Great- So dotting skin bemishes, white heads, blackheads, irritated hair folicules works exceptionaly well. I like how I don't have to make the sample area the exact size of the blemish but I can dot an area, sometimes handling 3-5 blemishes well within the sample area.

-Bad in some coding or whatever- As I was dotting and Adobe would flash the analyzing text over the picture, it would blink my program off the desktop or the desktop would blink through my adobe. Very distracting and annoying. Would happen within 10 clicks and sometimes would happen back to back up to 3 clicks.

I'll update on this same post as I work more with it.

dbuckenmyer

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Have had issues with Generative AI selecting an area outside the photo, leading to either no replacement, or a gray patch over the selected area. When trying to select a corner that has vignetting from a filter that gets in the way (Yes I have tried all of the "Ultra Thin" filters, this lens always gives a vignette with any filter on it.), the results are minimal or LR selects an area outside the box as described above. Cannot move the selection inside to the actual photo, and switching to another form of Remove yields the same results. Have to delete the selection and reselect with the new tool.

johnrellis

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@dbuckenmyer: "Have had issues with Generative AI selecting an area outside the photo, leading to either no replacement, or a gray patch over the selected area."

Can you please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the original unmodified photo, along with a full-resolution screenshot (not a phone pic) showing the gray patch?

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Robert31242774biba

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Not intuitive or simple and doesn't work very well if at all. Sosemwhat confusing. Photoshop removal tool is much easier and simpler to use. I'd give this app a D-.

johnrellis

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@Robert31242774biba: "Not intuitive or simple and doesn't work very well if at all."

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to remove the desired objects.

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Robert31242774biba

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Sorry John

Not a very efficient program. Appears to be in the earl design stage with way too many flaws. As referenced, the photoshop erase tool is way more efficient and simpler to use to remove unwanted items. Back to the drawing board!

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shutterbug9113

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In general I do NOT want to use generative AI. I prefer content aware. Then it is using pixels that I created, not ones from someone else's photo.

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shutterbug9113

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I don't agree with your order for editing. I'd think that crop would be first.

johnrellis

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@shutterbug9113: " I'd think that crop would be first. "

Adobe recommends that Remove be applied before cropping (see their recommended order of edits in the first post). The Remove tool looks at all the pixels of the uncropped photo, so if you select just the part of an object visible in the crop and leave parts of it unselected in the uncropped portion, Remove will generate a replacement that best matches the unselected bits. This is one of the common causes of the complaint, it "replaces instead of removes". See this article for a more thorough explanation with examples:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

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elisabethbls

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Trying to use the generative ai remove tool to remove a road (off in the distance) surrounded by green hills. I highlight the road, click apply, and the ai gives me three other road options that I could replace it with......

Face palm.

ai needs to take it's cues from the surrounding areas, not the areas selected to be removed!

johnrellis

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@elisabethbls: "I highlight the road, click apply, and the ai gives me three other road options that I could replace it with......"

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to remove the desired objects.

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elisabethbls

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Lightroom directed me here to provide feedback for the remove ai. So I assumed this was were we left feedback regarding the remove ai. I don't need assistance.

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