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January 22, 2023
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This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.
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The Lightroom team is sharing an early look at Generative Remove, which makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions, even on complex backgrounds, with a simple brush stroke. Generative Remove is powered by Firefly AI.

How to use Generative Remove on a desktop:

You can find Generative Remove under the newly renamed Remove panel (aka “Heal”).
Make sure the “generative AI” checkbox is enabled before you start brushing (note: when unchecked, Lightroom will use Content-Aware Remove to fill your brushed spots).
By default, you will be given a moment to refine your selection with an add or subtract brush. Remember to include shadows for a more accurate result! You can also skip this step by holding down ‘CTRL’ on windows or ‘CMD’ on mac as you finish your brush stroke.
Once you’re ready to apply and have accepted the terms, Generative Remove will use Firefly AI to remove your distractions and intelligently fill in the space that’s left by the removed objects.
Note: stable internet connection is required to use this feature.
Generative Remove also lets you choose from multiple variations, so you can pick the one you like best, giving you full creative control.

Checkout the FAQ and Best Practices

Please give it a try and share feedback and/or report variations in this community forum. It would greatly help to include details like which app you are using (i.e., Lightroom Classic or Camera Raw) and other system details. Our team will continually monitor this thread to track issues to improve the future experience.

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager
Posted by: Rikk Flohr

Update (Dec 2024): With the new release, it is no longer necessary to perform Generative Remove Operations prior to Cropping.

Update:

Here are some tips if you are having issues with the feature replacing your object instead of removing it.

Enlarge your selection - if your brush stroke is too tight, you will have unexpected results.
Remember that removing an object means painting over it, its shadow, its reflection, and any non-contiguous pieces. If you leave behind a shadow, a reflection, or a disconnected piece (e.g., a hand on a shoulder), the AI will attempt to create something to cast the shadow, reflect, or complete the unbrushed discontinuous item. You can avoid these issues by following the guidance provided in this linked tutorial. https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace

The recommended order for applying edits is:

Denoise
Heal (includes Generative AI Remove)
Crop (includes traditional Cropping, Lens Correction, Transform, or any operation changing the geometry of the image, including round-tripping to PS to use Gen-Expand)
Global Edits
AI Selective edits (Sky, Person, etc)

If you deviate from that, you may see the removed object remain as a ghost image. If this occurs, you will have to use Update AI Settings, which can be found under the Develop module 'Settings' menu.

Correct answer daleducatte

Hi, I'm getting the same error messages, as are some other people. There's a recent post on Reddit from an Adobe employee that Adobe is aware of the problem and is working on it. See here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Lightroom/comments/1fka2el/suddenly_unable_to_use_the_remove_tool_due_to/

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wowenkho

Participant

Is it really the case that in the current heal and clone stamp modes, you can't reposition the reference points of a healing spot anymore?

Right now, I can still reposition the area I want to heal but not its reference area. It's a bit of a bummer since I can't clone stamp essentially because I can't choose what I want to clone. I can only rely on the refresh button wherein I'll hope and pray Lightroom hits my desired reference area but I can't set it manually as I can't drag the reference area at all.

Or perhaps am I missing a new shortcut key that I need to press in order to do that?

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wowenkho

Participant

Update on this. So I did an "Edit in Photoshop" in one of the RAW photo in my catalog. Surprisingly, in the PSD from that, I was able to reposition the reference area as usual, but it still won't work on my RAW photo when I returned to it.

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wowenkho

Participant

Another update:
It looks like the repositioning of the reference area of the heal/clone stamp doesn't work when my files are still in CR3 format, but it somehow works when they're in some other format, like PSD or DNG. I hope this helps.

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John23603637req2

Participant

just started useing today and works good, but removing a home in the tree line on a marsh land photo on nikon nef file 'not edited' the results are very good 'BUT' appling "denoise" on this file the resaulting DNG has seem to attempt to reconstruct the home in a somewhat haphazard way?

Ian Lyons

Community Expert

@Rikk Flohr: Photography addressed this type of problem arlier in thread as folLows:

"This is the preferred order: Denoise - Heal(Including Gen Remove)- Crop/Edit - AI Selective edits"

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SallieColechin

Participant

It's incredibly useful, though clearly needs refinement. It took 4 attempts to fully remove a mid greyish pattern from a light blue background. Look forward to its continuing development. Amazing as l come from the world when we only had Photoshop 4!

Ian Lyons

Community Expert

Adobe has advised that Generative Remove as 'Earl Access' to indicate that it's still 'work in progress'. They've also provided this thread for customers to provide feedback. In most cases text is sufficient, but in others a screenshot showing how/where Generative Remove failed would be helpful. Can you provide a screenshot?

John R Casey

Participating Frequently

Generative Remove works well, but for myself, I just want it to remove objects and replace it with the background that was already there. Too many times, it tries to replace the object I am trying to remove with some random object. I almost always just want an object removed, so perhaps a command stating whether you want it removed and background filled where the object was versus remove and replace with some other object would be a welcome addition.

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RODRIGO SALAS

Participant

Me gusto mucho las actualizaciones.

Pensando a futuro para unas proximas actualizaciones seria un "BOOM" tener en lightroom la opcion de enfoque artificial, para algunas fotos desenfocadas que querramos enfocarlas y asi recuperarlas. Graxias por todo

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k80sg

Participant

Not sure if this is a bug as no one seem to have this issue. Tried reinstalling lightroom but it didn't fix the issue. Does anyone encountered this issue? Thanks.

JohanElzenga

Community Expert

Generative remove needs an internet connection. If a connection existed when you initiated the remove, but got lost during the process, then you'll get this error.

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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BSaunders843

Participant

I now get this message every time. Nothing wrong with my Internet connection.

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MRojas.cl

Participant

Es increible la modificación, pero luego al applicar nuevos ajustes como contraste u otro, se nota en ocaciones el borde del cuadro generado, se podria aplicar un control de suabizado de bordes.

Ejemplo mas abajo

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sb2314

Known Participant

Including the generative erase in Lightroom Classic was a huge benefit to me as I use this feature to clean up small distractions in images all the time. The older tools were very rudimentary and were fine for spots and small objects. I had to export my images to Photoshop and use this tool there. The one in Lightroom now works as good as the one in photoshop and saves me time having to go back and forth. Thank you!

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MrRicearonie

Participant

From my breif testing of it its really good, however I would like to see multiple options like how Photoshop does it in case it doesnt get it right the first time

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MrRicearonie

Participant

Never mind, I somehow looked past the variations section

Califdan2

Inspiring

Generative AI Remove produces two distinct types of content. One type REPLACES a selected object in the photo with some other object. For example, replaces a person with some other person or replaces the person with a dog or mailbox. The other type REMOVES the selected object and fills in the vacated space with content that seems to be derived from the same image with the idea of showing what a reasonalbe person would believe would have been seen had that object not been present when the photo was originallty taken (content aware remove does similar but no where near as well). In most traditional representational photography (landscape, travel, family, portrait, nature, etc.), the later case is the desired one.

What this tool needs is a selecton where the user can indicate if they want their selected object REPLACED by a different object or if they want their selected object REMOVED by having background type content inserted into the vacated space.

John R Casey

Participating Frequently

Absolutely spot on. The seemingly random nature of whether you are going to get some object replace the one you are removing is the biggest failure of the Generative Remove feature both in Lightroom and Photoshop. A command to instruct the software to either replace the object with something else, or with the background that would have been there behind and around the object being removed is the one major missing feature in the whole Generative Remove / Replace feature. In essence it is brilliant but in practice it can be very annoying and at times totally unusable.

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