P: Camera-Matching Profiles: Requests and information

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

Camera-matching Profiles are applicable to Camera Raw, Lightroom Classic, and the Lightroom Ecosystem products (Desktop, Mobile, and Web).

Note: Not all cameras will receive camera-matching profiles.

This thread is a place to request missing camera-matching profiles for specific models. Please include a complete camera model designation and a list of the specific camera-matching profiles you are requesting in your request. If your camera is already listed in this thread, please reply to the specific camera’s post rather than just posting in-line.

Camera-matching profiles are provided for some camera manufacturers and models. As raw support is added for individual camera models, camera-matching profiles for some cameras may be added when raw support is initially offered.  Other cameras may see camera-matching profiles added at a later date. It is also possible that a specific camera may see a long delay or perhaps not ever receive a specific camera-matching profile.

Note:

ETAs for camera-matching profiles are not available. New feature announcements are only made after support is added.

[GoldingD]

Two things:

1. The post I was replying on got merged into the above. Author of the post premerge was specific to a Fujifilm camera. Defiantly a mirrorless that Adobe uses the in camera corrections and supplies no lenses (profiles). Your statement of not true is out of context.

2. You made a statement, it got questioned. Back your statement up with evidence, not with go to google.

Users not being able to select their lens for corrections based on camera/lens combo is VERY common in LrC and ACR for mirrorless cameras. Lotta of complaints about that in this community. 

[deejjjaaaa]

> Your statement of not true is out of context

no - you attempted to generalize and you were corrected 

let me repeat your words = " In general, for such cameras, Adobe won't be providing its own lens profiles, since the manufacturers are embedding their profiles in the raw files." - see manufacturers = plural, so you were not trying to limit yourself to Fuji... don't generalize and you will be fine ... for Canon and Sony dSLM cameras "manufacturers are embedding their profiles in the raw files." - yet  Adobe will be "providing its own lens profiles" (instead of /or as an option/ using profiles embedded by manufactureres in the raw files)

[deejjjaaaa]

>  You made a statement, it got questioned.

and I suggested you to hit a well known repository of raw files and investigate the matter youself - this was mention in this forum more than once ( you can search my postings about the matter here )

[deejjjaaaa]

> Users not being able to select their lens for corrections based on camera/lens combo is VERY common in LrC and ACR for mirrorless cameras. Lotta of complaints about that in this community. 

Try to reread why I posted again, slowly - I was making some of the following points

1 ) do not generalize
2) Adobe is not using optics correction embedded in raw files for Canon and Sony dSLM cameras, so unless Adobe makes a profile or you make it youself - there is no optics correction ( which is a shame )
3) when Adobe is using optics correction embedded in raw files for other manufacturers then Adobe does not let us switch off some parts of it that some of us do not want to be corrected ( like vignetting, for example )
4) what Adobe does ( or does not ) probably ( a theory only ) is governed by some ageeements with manufacturers 

[John R Ellis]

Here is a more precise generalization that speaks to the question raised about the X-T5:

In general, for cameras in which LR and Camera Raw recognize embedded lens profiles, Adobe won't be providing its own lens profiles, since the manufacturers are embedding their profiles in the raw files.

[John R Ellis]

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"when Adobe is using optics correction embedded in raw files for other manufacturers then Adobe does not let us switch off some parts of it that some of us do not want to be corrected ( like vignetting, for example)" [Emphasis added]

That's an inaccurate generalization. In detail:

LR/CR handles the embedded lens profiles differently based on the manufacturer, the camera and lens, and when the camera was introduced.

For cameras introduced prior to LR 9.4 and many cameras since then, if LR recognizes the embedded lens profile, the profile will always be applied and it can't be disabled.  The message, "Built-in lens profile applied", appears in the Lens Correction panel.  For these profiles, the user can counteract applied distortion or vignetting correction using the sliders on the Manual tab.

For many new camera/lens combinations introduced after LR 9.4, if LR recognizes the embedded lens profile, the profile name will be "Camera Settings", and the user can completely disable the profile or adjust the amount of distortion and vignetting correction from 0 to 200 using the sliders on the Profile tab:

For these newer cameras, Adobe employee Rikk Flohr confirmed that LR/CR decides whether to allow the lens profile to be disabled based on metadata instructions included in the raw file by the manufacturer, on a per-lens basis. (Rikk's 2/16/21 post was in the old feedback forum and wasn't copied to the new forums, but I have the emailed version.)

Note: I'm trying to provide accurate, detailed information to further the discussion rather than dismissing you with "Google is your friend". The examples above come from my test catalog with photos from 115 different camera models and 204 unique camera/lens combinations, most downloaded from public sources when users I'm working with have been serious enough to disclose the cameras/lenses, and many provided directly by the users (since the public sources aren't exhaustive in their coverage).

[austinkabbaz]

Hello, I have a Hasselblad X2D. When I import 3FR files in Lightroom CC the profile that is applied is "camera standard" which is not recognized by the mobile versions of LCC. The whole point of the camera is better color management, so I hope I can keep using these profiles, or else I will need to move to using Phocus...

[wiuwiu]

cannot use camera matching profiles for ricoh gr3 (DNG file) at lightroom for ipad.

lightroom cc or lightroom for mobile has it but only at ipad, doesn't have profiles.

[Antoine29488999lo2h]

Hi, 

Unfortunately no Classic Negativ on Lightroom for iPad using a X-Pro 3. Really hope this could be fixed! 

[KrenFor78]

I recently made a vacation in the United States where I almost exclusively used my Google Pixel 7 Pro for photography. Being a RAW aficionado I photographed in JPG & RAW - and good that I did so, because the JPG engine of the Pixel tends to oversharpen pictures much too aggressively.

But developing the Pixel 7 Pro's DNGs in Camera Raw (through LR Classic/Photoshop in their current versions) I ran into a lot of unexpected problems:

I. No really matching color profiles

From the available color profiles the 

1. Adobe standard ones are flat and blow out highlights;

2. A profile named "Google Pixel" that is available in the "Profiles" section of the profile browser (and was not made by me neither imported from anywhere else) matches the OOC JPGs best in terms of tonalities, but produces a strong color shift (e.g. green tinge on blue skies);

3. A profile named "Google Embedded Camera Profile" that can be found in the "Older Version" section of the profile browser renders highlights correctly, but darkens all the rest of the picture. 

4. All four profiles handle distortion correction differently to the OOC JPG.

II. No possibility to add custom color profiles

I've documented that particular problem in this thread: https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/custom-made-x-rite-colorchecker-dcp-pro...

So I really would like an update on the Color Profiles / Distortion Correction concerning the Google Pixel 7 Pro and its four cameras. As it is all available profiles provide are not a very enjoyable starting point for PP, and it definitly isn't possible to match the color response of the Pixel to my other cameras via creating custom color profiles (see II.)

I attach two examples illustrating my point: You'll find two series (#1.1-1.4 and 2.1-2.4) of images. Each series shows renditions of the same Pixel 7 Pro (main rear camera) DNG with the profiles "Adobe Standard" (1.1/2.1), "Google Embedded Camera Profile" (1.2/2.2) and "Google Pixel" (1.3/2.3) applied. The fourth images of each series (1.4/2.4) shows the OOC JPG the Pixel 7 Pro provides alongside the DNG. If you compare the OOC JPG to the three DNG renditions you see that the "Google Pixel" profile comes closest to it - but the color shift (to green) in the sky of the DNG rendition is unmistakable. You also can see the difference in distortion correction.

Kren

[ChrisinWhitwell123]

I have just purchased an iPhone 15 Pro. I took a photo using the Apple camera, at 48 megapixels using Apple raw max, this was imported into Lightroom, mobile on the phone, uploaded to the cloud and back down to my Mac air laptop. It appears on the Mac air as a DNG file, as normal for me, but there is an error message saying that my normal Adobe landscape profile was not available on this system, and the profile showed as Apple color and Adobe landscape was not available in the options. Any idea what's happening here?

As a subsidiary question, will the Lightroom camera app be updated to be able to use the various focal length of the iPhone 15 Pro, and will it be able to take photos at 48 megapixel, or is that some clever apple processing that prevents that? 

[Geoff the kiwi]

Greetings,

sorry I can't provide much information... the iPhone 15 has been released but as of now there is no update of Lightroom with native support for it. In a few weeks there ought to be updates to coincide with Abode Max next month. 
Adobe doesn't announce when and what's included but it's a pretty safe bet the updates will include more on the 15.

As for the 48mp setting .. that will depend on Apple is my guess.

[Guest]

So, we might expect to see profile support for the iPhone 15 series within the next couple of weeks? I've been shooting RAW, but my go-to presets need the updated profiles.

[joesao]

Fujifilm just released a new camera, the GFX 100 II.

When opening the RAW files in LRC, one cannot access all the camera profiles (like "Nostalgic Negative").

Can the Lightroom team at Adobe please update this?

Thank you.

[DdeGannes]

The latest update of Lightroom Classic was released on Aug 16th 2023, and the Camera you are referring to was announced on Sept 12, 2023 so support for its raw images are not yet supported.

The next release of Lightroom is expected in the Second week of October, however Adobe does not announce when support will be available, updates usually occur every two months.

[joesao]

Even with the latest Fujifilm firmware update, it still doesn't work.

Capture One released a profile for this camera before the camera was shipped. Why can't Lightroom similarly support its customers?

[Fred Bananas]

Lightroom CC already has other "camera matching" profiles (e.g. for Fujifilm cameras). It would be great if Adobe could add new profiles to match the recently released "Leica Looks" for the Q3 camera.

[jcheezy]

Hello, anyone having luck with being able to use 'Nostalgic Negative' for the GFX 100 II in lightroom? It seems to be missing from the color matching profiles. 

[John R Ellis]

"Hello, anyone having luck with being able to use 'Nostalgic Negative' for the GFX 100 II in lightroom? It seems to be missing from the color matching profiles."

How are you importing raw files from the GFX 100 II into LR?  It's not yet on the supported-cameras list:

https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html#fujifilm

[John R Ellis]

I just filed a bug report about the missing entry for the GFX 100 II in the supported-cameras list:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw-bugs/fujifilm-gfx-100-ii-supported-by-cr-15-5-1-but-not-in...

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

Profiles for this camera were released 15 minutes ago. 

[John R Ellis]

@Rikk Flohr: Photography, "Profiles for this camera were released 15 minutes ago."

Excellent. But the Fujifilm GFX 100 II doesn't appear in the "Latest cameras added in October 2023" (or anywhere else in the supported-cameras list) nor does it appear in the Lightroom Queen's release notes.

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

It takes time for all the Helpx to deploy and propagate. If it still isn't right in 48 hours we will look at it. 

[jcheezy]

Camera Raw 16.0 solved the issue! Thank you both! 

[John R Ellis]

Sample raws from the Fujifilm GFX 100 II import in to CR 15.5.1 and LR 12.5, but that camera is not on the supported cameras list.