P: Reflection Removal feedback (CR & LrClassic)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Adobe Camera Raw plug-in.  

Adobe Camera Raw team is sharing an early look of our new Reflection Removal feature, which removes reflections caused by plate glass surfaces from photos. 

Note: 

• The feature currently only works on raw photos. Support for JPEGs & HEICs is added in the April 24 Update.

• There is a known issue on some Windows machines where the feature may produce a corrupt image. We are working on a fix for the upcoming release. 

Check out HelpX for more detailed usage information. For more technical information on the underlying technology, please refer to this Blog post. 

Getting started with the Reflection Removal feature: 

• Make sure you have the “New AI Features and Settings Panel” Technology Preview enabled in the Camera Raw plug-in Preferences dialog (requires restarting the host application to activate). 

• Go to the Remove panel [B] , and in the “Distraction Removal” section, click on the “Reflections” checkbox. 

• Optionally adjust the slider after the ML model is done computing. 

• Use the rest of the Camera Raw tools just like you would otherwise. 

When using the slider, the key values to note are: 

• 0 – the input photo

• 100 – de-reflected (window reflections removed) photo 

• -100 – reflection photo (what the window was reflecting towards the camera) 

Please try the feature and share feedback in this community forum. It would help to include details like how you access Camera Raw (via Adobe Bridge or Photoshop), your computer system details, and as much information about what you like or do not like about the resulting photo quality. Our team will continually monitor this thread to track issues to improve the future experience. 

When to use Reflection Removal

The feature is designed to deal with large-area reflections when shooting through windows. Many other types of reflections occur in nature and are captured in photographs, but this feature may not recognize and handle those. We plan to work on expanding the supported reflection types in the future. 

Example use-cases for the feature include: 

• Looking through windows inside-out (e.g., from the car, airplane, room windows, etc.) 

• Looking through windows outside-in (e.g., shop windows) 

• Museums (e.g., paintings behind glass, glass case exhibits, etc.) 

How best to use Reflection Removal

For best results, try the new feature following these suggestions: 

• Apply Reflection Removal before applying any other edits to the photo, except for Enhance features such as Denoise
  • The changes made to the photo may be quite profound and render any changes you already made inappropriate.
  • If you plan to use both Enhance (Denoise, Super Resolution, or Raw Details) and Reflection Removal on a photo, it is better to apply Enhance first.
• Play with the feature slider and adjust the removal strength as appropriate.
• If you applied Adobe Adaptive (beta) profile prior to running the Reflection Removal feature, please update it or you may see traces of removed reflections still present in the photo (Adobe Camera Raw will remind you to do this).

Boris Ajdin: Product Manager, Emerging Products Group 

Update (01-16-2025)

To improve the performance and results of this feature, it is important that examples of images that are failing to properly remove the reflections are forwarded to the team via your report.  A large variety of file formats are allowed as attachments in these forum posts. The best option is to attach your image's raw file directly to your feedback post. Note that there is a 50 MB limit on an attachment's file size. If your raw file is too large to attach, the best option is to share the file via a file-sharing service (Dropbox or similar) and then share the link in your feedback post. Thank you for continuing to provide feedback on this Tech Preview!

If you have already shared your raw file with us - thank you!

~Rikk

Posted by:

[Eric29489323q7t4]

It will be easier if you share an example photo and a screen capture of the output. 

[boZZda]

Here is Lightroom Classic 14.4 and on every single image I apply the reflection filter I got this gold filter. It does not matter if I go to 0% or to 100%. It's all crippled like this on every single image.

I use SONY A7 camera and using raw files (ARW).

Any advice what might be wrong?

[Eric29489323q7t4]

Please post the details of your system OS and hardware.

[boZZda]

Windows 11

ROG G14 (2024) 

nVidia 4070 8GB

AMD Ryzen 9 8945HS

32GB RAM

It does the same even when I set BEST option. 

All drivers, software and system up to date. It does from the very beginning this function appeared. I've never seen it working. 

[Eric29489323q7t4]

The quality setting only produces a higher resolution result. You can use the lower quality settings to quickly test---that's the point of them. 

I believe this hardware has a known issue. I will let you know if I hear otherwise, but I'm almost certian that it is a hardware driver issue. 

[boZZda]

The quality setting only produces a higher resolution result. You can use the lower quality settings to quickly test---that's the point of them. 

I believe this hardware has a known issue. I will let you know if I hear otherwise, but I'm almost certian that it is a hardware driver issue. 

By @Eric29489323q7t4

Please let me know what to do.

[David Franzen at Work]

Thanks for reporting the problems you see. I would like to get some more in-depth info about your system as well as a copy of the ARW file itself

DxDiag report

The tool dxdiag produces a report that can be helpful to the engineering team while investigating problems.

1. Press the Windows key on your keyboard or click the Windows button in the taskbar.
2. Type 'dxdiag' (this does a search for the program).
3. Press the Enter key.
4. Wait for the DxDiag window to appear.
5. When it's enabled click the Save All Information button.
6. Save the DxDiag.txt file and submit it when reporting problems.

Second, please share with us a log file from Classic covering when this happens.
1. Launch classic
2. Use remove relfectioons on one file.
3. Quit Classic
4. Collect the Classic log file from this location on your PC:

• On Windows, the log location is: %APPDATA%\Adobe\CameraRaw\Logs. A shortcut to get to this folder on Windows is:
  1. Press the Windows key.
  2. Enter 'Run'.

Enter '%APPDATA%\Adobe\CameraRaw\Logs'.

Find the log files with names that include "Lightroom Classic"

Thanks for your help,
David

[boZZda]

I have been playing with the nVidia drivers and it started to work. Here is the procedure I have made and it works. now. Here's what I did.

- clean installation by the Studio drivers 577.00

The reflection feature works.

Then I have made clean installation of the Game Ready drivers version 580.88

- the reflection feature starts to work now

Thank you for your support but I can not give you the required data as it works now.

[David Franzen at Work]

Thanks for letting us know you were able to fix the problem by updating your NVIDIA driver. You may also want to update the GPU driver for your AMD Ryzen 9 8945HS, the Radeon 780M. In case Windows changes the default GPU to the Radeon, the remove reflection feature will use it.

[tranterdewy]

Just adding to the mix with what I'm finding.  I used the distraction removal (reflection) tool on this jpeg, quality set to Best.   As you can see, the reflected picture frame on the left was dealt with, but not the reflection of the strip lights.  

Before: 

[Eric29489323q7t4]

Please note that this tool will work best on RAW images. If you intend to capture a photo with a reflection, consider capturing RAW for that particular shot. Most cameras (including mobile devices) allow this option.

[joesao]

Hi Rikk,

I'm using v. 14.4 on Mac M1 Max

Results are not good—when remove reflections is applied, the photo ends up very blurry.

Here it is without remove reflections (original):

And here it is with Reflections removal applied:

Thanks.

[JohnDG Photography · Accepted solution]

Seems Quality is on "preview". Try setting it on "best".

[joesao]

That works, thank you!

Took processing from 7 seconds to 7 minutes but worth it.

[photopatrick]

I was taking pictures of birds , which were behind fencing. I used distraction removal / reflections to remove some of the fence lines on the birds. Worked unbelievably  well. 

[Eric29489323q7t4]

Thanks for letting us know. Could you post a before/after result? If you share the originals for testing that could also be quite helpful. 

[nirodhag85436529]

I photographed  night landscape with  the moon through the hotel window. relexion removal, removed the moon.

[Eric29489323q7t4]

Would you be willing to share the image so I can see what the situation was?

[Dar7]

You asked me to provide reference images to understand the problem. Any image processed with the new reflection removal feature generates an unknown error at exactly 26% of the reflection removal process. The image in question is a CR2 file; no editing was performed before removing the reflections using updated Photoshop and Camera Raw.

Updated Windows 10 Pro hardware, 32GB RAM, NVIDIA K1200 graphics card

[David Franzen at Work]

Please collect and share with us the following log files.

DxDiag report

The tool dxdiag produces a report that can be helpful to the engineering team while investigating problems.

1. Press the Windows key on your keyboard or click the Windows button in the taskbar.
2. Type 'dxdiag' (this does a search for the program).
3. Press the Enter key.
4. Wait for the DxDiag window to appear.
5. When it's enabled click the Save All Information button.
6. Save the DxDiag.txt file and submit it when reporting problems.

Application Logs

Second, please share with us a log file from Camera Raw covering when this happens.
1. Launch Photoshop and open the photo in Camera Raw
2. Use remove relfectioons on one file.
3. Close Camera Raw and quit Photoshop
4. Collect the Camera Raw log file from this location on your PC:

• On Windows, the log location is: %APPDATA%\Adobe\CameraRaw\Logs. A shortcut to get to this folder on Windows is:
  1. Press the Windows key.
  2. Enter 'Run'.

Enter '%APPDATA%\Adobe\CameraRaw\Logs'.

Find the log files with names that include "Camera Raw"

Thanks for your help,
David

[Dar7]

@David Franzen at Work here are the files asked. Thank you.

[David Franzen at Work]

Thank you -- I will look at the log to see if we can determine what caused the error.

For now I suggest that you first try to update your GPU driver, by looking for a new version here: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx

I can see from the DxDiag.txt file that your driver is dated: : 18/10/2023 02:00:00. I don't know if NVIDIA has an update, but you should be able to search for one on their website.

Please let us know if updating the driver helps.

Thanks,
David

[Bill Quinby]

I wanted to remove the reflections in the glasses of a subject I was shooting. Not sure I'm doing this correctly but it was a fail. Thanks for any help. 

[Eric29489323q7t4]

This tool will not remove reflections from small or distant panes of glass, and that includes eye glasses. Check out the Adobe blog to learn more about what this tool does.

[JapanMike]

I'm really not having any luck with this with a Monochrom raw file. This was taken from inside a cablecar/gondola/ropeway and I don't get any help with the reflections. 

Something I'm doing wrong?
Thanks, Michael