336 new pantone colors

hi

now we have 2016 and i need one of the additional 336 pantone colors for the first time in indesign cc. according read a lot about this issue, i install the pantone manger, updated them and export the file PANTONE+ Solid Uncoated-V3.acb.

now i had copy them in the indesign swatch libraries and start indesign. in the swatch-panel i can now select PANTONE+ Solid Uncoated-V3, but none of these color are available. eg. if i search pantone 2027 it found nothing.

whats wrong?

thanks

andi

At least you're getting the color palettes for no extra charge and/or inconvenience the way it is with these extra Pantone colors.

Regarding fonts, yeah the user -might- get some new fonts installed, but not many. In general Adobe had not been generous in terms of bundling good quality fonts with its applications in the past. The offerings paled in comparison with the bundled goodies offered by rivals. This was especially true through the various generations of Creative Suite. Garamond Premiere Pro and Hypatia Sans Pro were good optional bonus items, but they didn't make up for an overall lack of faces. Adobe did better in the early 1990s. They bundled a couple hundred decent faces with Illustrator 4 and had their 220 face collection with PageMaker. Adobe has made up for a lot of these paltry font offerings with Typekit, but with the catch of needing to be connected to the Internet at all times and have one's subscription always up to date.

I wrote about this same question back in February of 2015. I provide indepth information along with a resolution. Check it out here: Re: Pantone Library Updating

To resolve the banter about "licensing" of the Adobe used Pantone library files, I have an email stating the following:

Libraries can be exported from PANTONE Color Manager in sRGB, L*a*b* or CMYK (PANTONE COLOR BRIDGE or PANTONE CMYK COLOR GUIDE libraries only).  For spot colors, most users will export in L*a*b* as this is the basic color space used in color-managed print workflow. The ‘save as’ function is used when you want to save PANTONE libraries for distribution to others outside of PANTONE Color Manager.  The libraries can be distributed without license restriction.  The attached document provides details.

And here's a snippet of that "attached document" that also says that "...libraries may be shared with other users without license restriction."

I work in a large advertising agency and it's always a pain to get these libraries updated. There's a specific method of exporting all the libraries with correct settings applied, and then the distribution to all our users. It would be nice if Pantone and Adobe played nice and worked together to provide Adobe software users with a seamless method of updating the libraries.  Here is additional information that was sent to me when inquiring about these inefficiencies along with an issue that bothers the heck out of our professional staff that uses these Pantone Libraries multiple times a day:

Question: We ONLY use this software to export all the Pantone Libraries used in the Adobe Creative Suites since you and Adobe refuse to work together and package these updates as part of Adobes updates.

Pantone's Response: It simply isn’t true that we ‘refuse to work with Adobe’.  In fact, we work closely with Adobe and all other licensing partners with regard to digital PANTONE libraries.  The fact is that we do not always fit neatly into Adobe’s development schedule and this can lead to large lead times for inclusion of updates to PANTONE libraries.  Further, in the last four-year period, Pantone has added more colors than at any previous time in our history.  PANTONE Color Manager was conceived as a method of working around this limitation by providing immediate access to PANTONE library updates.

Question: Also, the searching of your plus libraries (particularly 4-digit numbers), via Adobe "new swatch" window doesn't work.

Answer: This is a known issue and required modifications on the part of both X-Rite and Adobe – working together – to address.  It will be permanently fixed in the next release of PANTONE Color Manager.

Again, if you want more information check out my posting from February with additional information, also a posting that got no solid answers. Re: Pantone Library Updating

I'm getting stung with the +336 library nonsense once again. A client wants signs with one of the +336 series colors spec'd, without knowing what a huge pain in the backside it is to simulate it in various types of large format printing or paint colors.

In a sign shop this problem runs considerably farther than just getting a swatch library imported into Adobe InDesign, Illustrator or Photoshop. We have other applications that come into play, such as Flexi and CorelDRAW. Our large format RIP software, Roland VersaWorks doesn't understand any of those new Pantone colors. Any objects with those fills must be converted to CMYK (and test printed thru trial and error) prior to printing. If I have to job out something to a shop that prints billboards or double side prints huge flex faces they can't deal with the new spot color specs. Compound it even further when you need paint formulas to back spray a lighted sign face or paint metal parts of sign cabinets, cladding, etc.

IMHO, Pantone is going about introducing these new colors the wrong way. I understand the convenience of having a piece of software periodically updated to add new colors to a library from time to time. The problem with this is those new color additions are useless to me unless I go buy a new set of Pantone swatches. We buy new color books from sign product suppliers every couple or so years because those swatch books get worn out or start fading. I think the Pantone Color Manager software is a solution in search of a problem.

All of the graphics software applications my company uses get updated on a somewhat frequent basis, often enough that Pantone library updates could be applied. That's how it would have to work in the case of VersaWorks; I can't just drop a color palette file into a folder the way I can with InDesign or Illustrator. The notion that the +336 colors were merged into the main spot color library and simply called "V2" is just going to be a source for more confusion and aggravation.

I understand the profit motive in selling Pantone Color Manager software (especially after all the money that has been spent with the X-Rite merger). But this is something that is literally goofing up the work flow for a lot of people and costing us valuable time.

so, to be clear, although Adobe claims in its sales literature that the Creative Suite (now Creative Cloud) supports the Pantone color system, it does not, out of the box, include all of the latest colors — regardless of how recently the Suite has been updated.

Adobe is claiming that Pantone has not given the colors to them to include in the suite — even though Quark has them.

The "solution" is to pay additional funds to Pantone for A) color books, which include a registration number for a free copy of software for keeping the digital color books up to date; or B) a standalone copy of the software.

That works, if you work by yourself.

I manage literally hundreds of workstations with the Creative Suite installed. Individual design groups — typically around a dozen people, give or take a half-dozen each — do purchase updated Pantone color books. However that only gives me *ONE* license for the Pantone Color Manager software. Not the dozens I would need to keep each individual workstation updated — to say nothing of actually making sure all of those workstations are updated.

Now, assuming I download the updated files on one workstation, is there anything preventing me from exporting all of the .acb/.aco/.ase color books and libraries, and distributing them to all of the other workstations?

If that's an acceptable solution, can anyone provide a link or URL to someone who's already exported all these files so I can spare myself the trouble and just download them all?

I just purchased the Pantone + Formula Books and installed the Pantone Color Manager and still don't have all colors. My client has picked color 2032 which was a color from the 336 new colors formula guide which is now obsolete according to the message from the Color manager. This is the newest book I could find so this is a little crazy.

I find it highly irritating that the current version of Creative Suite doesn't include all existing Pantone colors in its libraries. What is the problem I wonder?

This won't help for the recent 336 colors but will help with missing standard colors:

Find an older version of Illustrator, in my case it was CS2, and copy your 'color books' folder across to CS6 and rename 'color books 2'... now you will have all your missing colours.

I think Panton are pretty weak to go gouging customers in this fashion - to not have previously installed colors, now missing in current pantone books in Illustrator.

$49?! or buy new Pantone books?!! I'd rather boycott your colors Pantone!

Exactly which colors are missing? CS6 comes with the Pantone Plus library.

Try going to Pantone's website to see if they have an installer for this.

         - Dov