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Script for splitting spreads for bleed? (or other technique?)

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February 7, 2022
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Hi

I'm doing yet another project where I had to design a book (with bleeds) as spreads, but now as the last step, I have to create a version for the printer where each page is a single page with bleed on all four sides. I know the basic trick -- you turn off 'allow pages to shuffle' and then you can drag the spreads apart, one by one, in the Pages window.

However, when you've got a whole book's worth, it starts to seem silly to have to do all this dragging. Isn't there a way -- perhaps a script? -- that will split all the spreads into two single pages, while maintaining their left page/right page characteristics?

Thanks,

Kurt the Dragger

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Laubender

Adobe Expert

Hi Kurt,

see into this sample documents:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uj4xk7h0gtqqie3/220207-3-Bleed-in-Spine-FacingPages.zip?dl=1

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

( ACP )

rob day

Adobe Expert

Is the binding method wire-o where the inside bleed is trimmed and visible? Most binding methods fold the signatures on the spine—the inside edge is not trimed. This thread has some options for wire-o including Uwe’s experiment:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/indesign-discussions/gutter-bleed-still-the-same/m-p/11367643#M198592

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supineNYAuthor

Inspiring

perfect bound. And as i mentioned to an earlier poster, my typical situation is something bleeding on one page (like a page with a bleeding photo) next to a white background page with text. so i need to see the pages pulled apart to fine tune my bleeds. will take a look at the link when i get a chance.

rob day

Adobe Expert

makes sense to me, but my printer rejects jobs that don't have bleed all around on four sides of each page. and i see other posts about this, it seems to be a thing with some printers and i don't know why.

but my printer rejects jobs that don't have bleed all around on four sides of each page

Is the printer explicitly asking you to create manual bleeds, or are you assuming they can‘t come from the opposite page? Often they want an inside bleed for consistency in the imposition setup. They might be adjusting for creep, but in that case the content of the bleed doesn’t matter.

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Laubender

Adobe Expert

Hi Kurt,

there is a script, but you do not need to do it.

Just for spiral bound material. Not for perfect bound sheets for example.

And there is also a different method (highly experimental) :

[1] Save your document to a new name.

[2] Select all pages with the Page tool first.

To do this switch to the Page tool and do the keyboard shortcut for Select All.

[3] Then skew the selected pages with the Transform panel to about 4°.

[4] Apply inside bleed at the spine.

[5] Export to PDF for the printers.

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

( ACP )

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supineNYAuthor

Inspiring

yeah, that doesn't seem like it would let me fine tune my bleed areas the way i can when i split the spreads. though it does sound exciting to have all my pages be 4 degrees tilted.

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Laubender

Adobe Expert

Just try it. You'll be surprised…

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

( ACP )

James Gifford—NitroPress

Brainiac

Maybe I'm missing something, but when I export a document laid out as spreads, and specify the crops and bleeds, I get single pages with whatever bleed I define on the gutter side.

No rearrangement of the document needed.

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supineNYAuthor

Inspiring

doesn't work for everything, though. Say you have a white page next to an art page that bleeds on 4 sides, the white page will get artwork in its bleed (not good) and then the bleeding page will get the white of the white page in the bleed area, not art (not good).

James Gifford—NitroPress

Brainiac

Ah, I see. Don't remember the last time I had gutter-side bleeds, so that escaped me.

Can you split only such page pairs, if the number of them isn't high? It seems to work in Pages; not sure if it would produce the bleed characteristics you need.

And as mentioned (sort of), don't gutter bleeds disappear in perfect binding, one way or the other? By a proper imposition process, for example?

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