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Two aligned columns without using a table

  • March 6, 2019
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I'm working on this section of text and for several reasons it needs to be set without separating the entry on the left and the definition on the right (as in what table cells would do).

Breaking it up into two column text is no good because the words need to be next to their definitions.

A simple tab seems like the correct answer until there's a two-line entry on the left column. When that happens the definition on the right is no longer aligned to the top of the left entry.

Does anyone have any ideas about how to make this work?

This is currently set in a table with two columns, but it needs to be taken out of this format. We are trying to use the index feature to compile a list of these words and definitions, but using a table makes it impossible to select the entry and definition together.

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    Correct answer FRIdNGE

    Hi Michel,

    I'm trying to follow you with your idea and still cannot make it work.

    The green paragraphs get a span option to span all columns, that's clear and is working for me.

    But how did you wrap the red paragraph to the next column?

    Are you working with the Keep Options and did you set Start Paragraph to Next Column ?

    As you can see below my key paragraphs ( they should go to the left column ) and the value paragraphs ( they always should go to the right column ) are alternating with each other. I did three paragraph styles because I suspected that I need at least two for my key paragraphs. Maybe not, maybe more. Right now the two are all the same in definition but the fill color. I also did one paragraph style for the value paragraphs.

    Currently the Keep Options of paragraph style ValueItems is shown below with

    Start Paragraph set to Anywhere

    If I change this to Start Paragraph set to Next Column the first value paragraph will indeed go to the second column. Exactly what I want. But from then on the things do not go right. The second entry for the next key paragraph starts in the second column. That's not the thing I wanted to do. And the rest of the text goes to overset.

    Here the Keep Options of my KeyItem-2-GRAY paragraph style with

    Start Paragraph set to Anywhere

    Obviously you are doing something very differently just from the start.

    Can you show some details of the formatting of your blue and red paragraphs?

    Regards,

    Uwe


    Hi Uwe,

    In fact, it's truly simple to be played [as often with me]! …  

    You need 3 para styles:

    • Green [you're right on its settings: it includes a "span" feature!]

    • Blue / Red for the 2 "problematic" parts [as Vinny previously indicated => keep all para lines together]

    … 1 supplementary one: the magical "Separator" para style!    [no size, no leading, no color + "span" feature] -- totally invisible!

    … and 2 regex [not 3! played in 1 click]:

    Regex 1:

    Find:  \r

    Replace by:  $0@\$0

    Find Format:  "Red" para style

    Regex 2:

    Find:  @(?=\r)

    Replace by:  nothing

    Replace by Format:  "Separator" para style

    That's all!

    Best,

    Michel

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    Laubender
    Brainiac
    March 6, 2019

    Hi NGWSP ,

    if in column one, the left column, there were only one line entries this would be doable in one text frame.

    But unfortunately that's not the case. You already stated that.

    So did you set this up with a couple of threaded text frames?

    One text frame for every cell's entry?

    ( Horrible to manage! )

    Regards,
    Uwe

    B
    Barb Binder
    Brainiac
    March 6, 2019

    So, NGWSP, why are tables off the table? That's really your best bet, IMHO.

    ~Barb

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    Laubender
    Brainiac
    March 6, 2019

    BarbBinder  wrote

    So, NGWSP , why are tables off the table? That's really your best bet, IMHO.

    Hi Barb,

    our OP states:

    … using a table makes it impossible to select the entry and definition together.

    True. There are two cells. One for the key entry and one for the value entry.

    What I do not get is why both entries should be selectable in one go…

    Regards,
    Uwe

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      Barb Binder
      Brainiac
      March 6, 2019

      Thanks, Uwe. I missed that. But on reading it again, is the selection requirement to quickly add index markers?

      We are trying to use the index feature to compile a list of these words and definitions, but using a table makes it impossible to select the entry and definition together.

      One could set up all of the table formatting with nested styles (table styles, cell styles and paragraph styles), convert the table to text, index away and then convert back to a table. The nested styles would mean minimal reformatting after the reconversion.

      ~Barb

      Michael Bullo
      Michael Bullo
      Participating Frequently
      March 6, 2019

      Could this do the trick?

      1. Regular text
      2. Type > Insert Special Character > Other > Indent to Here
      3. Inserted a tab before the "Indent to Here" character. Then controlled the position of that tab using the Tabs panel or the Tabs section within a Paragraph Style

      NGWSP
      NGWSPAuthor
      Participating Frequently
      March 6, 2019

      This would work for when there are multiple lines in the definition column, but not when there are multiple lines in the entry (left) column. That's the part I'm struggling with.

      Michael Bullo
      Michael Bullo
      Participating Frequently
      March 6, 2019

      What about two adjacent text frames that are threaded together?

      You could insert a Frame Break within the text which would force the text beyond that point into the next frame. The text is still one continuous piece which might allow for the kind of selecting you need to do.

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      Migintosh
      Brainiac
      March 6, 2019

      Make a hanging indent by setting the left indent to the same amount as your tab setting. Then, set the first-line indent to a negative of that value. For example, if your tab is set to 2", make your left indent 2" and your first-line indent -2".

      NGWSP
      NGWSPAuthor
      Participating Frequently
      March 6, 2019

      Right, that would work for the "pasarlo…" entry in the screenshot, also achievable by placing an indent to here marker at the beginning of the definition.

      The part I haven't figured out is for examples like the last entry, where the left column entry is two lines long.

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      Migintosh
      Brainiac
      March 6, 2019

      I'm not sure there is a simple solution to that. The first lines of the two "columns" need to align, so you cant just tab after the bold on the left without having to sandwich the Roman on the right between two bits of the bold, and that would kill your index. There may be a way to jimmy this into something that works, but I don't have the time right now to look into it. Maybe later I'll get a minute, or maybe someone else will know a solution before that. Good luck.

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