P: Slow UI when using Mac and Custom Display Profile

[adamcrowe]

Hello,

Since upgrading to Lightroom Classic v10.0, all UI-related functionality is painfully slow. All editing functions are working correctly and quickly but scrolling through the catalogue or even scrolling a side panel is taking many long seconds to refresh. Unreasonably long.

Disabling GPU Accellaration has no affect on my Lightroom's performance.

macOS Mojave 10.14.6

Mac Pro (Late 2013)

3 GHz 8-Core Intel Xeon E5

32 GB 1866 MHz DDR3

AMD FirePro D700 6 GB

[lkemper]

I am having the same problem!

Mac Pro (2017)

3 GHz Intel Xeon W

64 GB

Radeon Pro Vega 56 8GB

Just to drop down a panel take almost 1 minute. Everything is painfully slow.

[COBill]

Tip, on Windows, Lightroom gives the best performance in single screen mode with the Lightroom window at full screen. 

Sad to say but you folks are using old and slow video cards with old and slow processors. Also as ATI is primarily focused on the gaming market, $for$, their cards tend to be slow for photo or video editing. 

Yes, Nvidia needs some competition in this area but since the effective demise of Matrox; they are the only game in town. Maybe we could crowd fund a video card focused on photo editing, just joking of course as we'd still have to use a Nvidia chip. 

Recommendation for 4K monitors, consider a 8GB Nvidia Quadro if there are drivers for macOS. For 5K monitors, 11GB would be better. 

Lastly, each new release of Lightroom provides several performance improvements and usually at least one slowdown. For V10, we took at hit with scrolling in, mostly, the Develop module. But the balance overall is a significant improvement. On my machine (6-core Xeon, Nvidia Quadro, dual 4K monitors), the hit is very minor. 

[lkemper]

Here is my card - The Radeon Pro Vega 56 is a professional mobile graphics chip by AMD, launched in August 2017. ... AMD has paired 8 GB HBM2 memory with the Radeon Pro Vega 56, which are connected using a 2048-bit memory interface.

[COBill]

The Vega 56 is on Apple's maybe list. "Metal" support is required for Lightroom to make use of the card. 

The following cards are known to be Metal-compatible: 

MSI Gaming Radeon RX 560 128-bit 4GB GDRR5
SAPPHIRE Radeon PULSE RX 580 8GB GDDR5
SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7950 Mac Edition
NVIDIA Quadro K5000 for Mac
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 Mac Edition

 
Apple also lists cards that "might also be compatible" with macOS Mojave: 

AMD Radeon RX 560
AMD Radeon RX 570
AMD Radeon RX 580
AMD Radeon Pro WX 7100
AMD Radeon RX Vega 56
AMD Radeon RX Vega 64
AMD Radeon Pro WX 9100
AMD Radeon Frontier Edition

[adamcrowe]

@bill_3305731 6GB of VRAM isn't enough to scroll some content in a window? Come on… Especially since it worked nicely in the previous version and every other application - including other Adobe ones.

[COBill]

I appears that your video card is unsupported. Technological progress I guess. 

On Windows with both 4GB and now 5GB Nvidia Quadro video cards (4K monitor), scrolling was fine but has slowed down with V10 but only a little; just enough to notice. 

[adamcrowe]

In the Performance tab in Lightroom's settings, it says the the GPU is fully supported. Plus, all the actual heavy lifting editing functions work quickly as expected. And actually, now that the adjustment brush is GPU accelerated, that works like a dream as well.

It really just the UI that took a hit this update. At least on a Mac, I can see something definitely changed in the way the UI is rendered but I can't put my finger on it. The font in the Develop module's drop down lists is different. Something was definitely updated but there's clearly a bug here.

[BradBahr]

Upon upgrading from v9.4 to v10, certain UI actions in Lightroom have become incredibly slow.  The most noticeable is scrolling in Library Grid view.  I experienced no lag/hesitation in any of the 9.x versions, but in version 10, scrolling in Library Grid view is almost unusable (several seconds to scroll a couple of rows).  I downgraded back to v9.4 and all lag went away.  I'm running a 2016 Macbook Pro 16GB RAM with Radeon Pro 455 2GB VRAM. MacOS Catalina 10.15.7.

[alexskunz]

Glad to read this as I noticed this slowdown on my iMac too. (I reverted to 9.2.1 though, due to the clone/heal bugs when used at the frame edges, which were introduced in 9.3).

[Jerry Syder]

This is a good example of when Adobe would really appreciate a video recording of what you're seeing. Regarding the font, it seems like it was intentionally changed throughout the interface. Win 10 here.

[lkemper]

Apple says all IMac Pros are metal compatible

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

Same here. 16" Macbook Pro, 6core, 32GB ram, 5500M 8GB, and after update to LRC V10 it is unusable! With last version it was ok, not blazing fast but 100% usable for work. Now it is working approx 5 times slower. Changing modules, copy and paste photo settings. I am also working on desktop with Ryzen 3900X, 64GB ram, RTX2070Super and after update the performance is same or maybe even little bit faster. So I updated also on my MBP and its disaster 😞

[COBill]

Still requires a video card supported by Lightroom. Unfortunately Adobe has stopped listing supported video cards so for other than mid to high end Nvidia cards, it's a guessing game. The Vega 56 is a "maybe" card.

Business reality: if 1 in 10 thousand people with a computer do photo editing and maybe 1 in a thousand of them do it on a Mac with an AMD video card... You get the picture. 

Based on your experience, a change in Lightroom v10 probably pushed your card from the "maybe" category into the "unsupported" group. Adobe delivered a significant number of significant performance improvements with V10. It is likely that those improvements will be a setback for some hardware. AMD and Nvidia use significantly different APIs for communication with the card. Add in the variations from one card architecture to another within a brand and the problem becomes obvious. 

[lkemper]

Yet here we are after spending $6000+ on computers less than 3 years old, our work is coming to a stand still. Even though Apple says they are supported and Adobe says GPU with Metal Support work. And even if they don't support, why is it slower than it was in 9.4?

[COBill]

$ for $ laptops are much slower than desktops. Nvidia cards are faster than AMD. As hardware gets pushed by software for better performance, the fast equipment gets faster and the slow equipment... Well you get the picture. 

Your MBP is great for Linux software development but for high performance photo or video editing, get a $4-6,000 gaming laptop to compete with a $2-3,000 desktop. 

[lkemper]

Bill you say Adobe doesn't list compatible cards.  If I was to add an external GPU to my iMac Pro how would I find out which model would be compatible with Lightroom?

[casperghst42]

Same; mac mini 2020, i7, 32gb mem.

Also I see that all previews are been regenerated, which does not help either. Also opening Metadata is dead slow.

[FeedbackCommunityMember]

I know $$$ laptops has similar performance like $ desktop. But this is a 4000$ notebook that could handle the software very nice till today when I updated it. If I was using some crap 500$ notebook I will understand it but this is a "pro" machine and if it cant handle 24mpx raw files there is some problem. And in my experience, the problem is in the software. Or we are now in a time where high-end machines are usable only for one year and then they are good only for youtube?! I also work in Premiere Pro and Davinci Resolve and I learn something there. When you have two software that can do the same thing and one can do it a lot faster than the other on the same machine you can tell that the problem isn't in hardware but in software optimization. I am downgrading LRC and wait for Adobe to FIX this.

[COBill]

Recent Nvidia Quadro and GeForce cards should be fine but there is always the issue with MacPro compatible drivers.

In your situation, I would contact Nvidia support though they are likely to recommend the latest cards. And check with Adobe support to see what they say about the problems you are having with your card. They might already be planning a fix. That would be free. 

Also measurements I've taken, reported in another thread, indicate that Lightroom is making much heavier use of the processor to provide performance improvements. All develop tools that I've tested are now instantaneous on my Windows Xeon 3.6/4.0 GHz machine with most of the improvements coming from heavier use of the processor. 

People who don't know how video cards work think that we would unconditionally benefit from Lightroom increasing its use of the video card. However for many functions, a video card is a bottle neck. This is especially true if the whole image won't fit on the card. Just take one unrealistic example, if Nvidia were to release a 32GB version of the P4000 and Lightroom were to require that card; we would see a speedup for most functions. But not all. 

Of course, the most straightforward solution for you is to switch to Windows, notice the flood of problems primarily by Mac users. Think what it is going to be like with a new version of Lightroom running on the totally new version of MacOS on a new hardware architecture. This forum is going to be buried with bug reports. 

[caseygrimley]

I'm in the same boat.
Mac Pro 2010, 2x3.46GHz, 28GB RAM, 1TB Evo SSD, Radeon RX580 8GB

I've done all the usual checks and tweaks like turn off sync, address, face, turn off/on GPU acceleration, purge cache, build 1:1 previews, delete previews, then rebuild them again.
The only thing that speeds it up is if I resize the Lightroom window to less than half of my screen (4K 27") which is not ideal.

[David Mantripp]

I have exactly the same configuration and exactly the same problems.  Tried all the usual tricks.   Applying presets in bulk, which took 10-20secs in 9.4 now takes 10-20 _minutes_, and then Lr insists on rewriting all XMP data.  Also, Delete Key no longer removes a gradient, and when removing using menu, the animation is gone.  Seems to be some other weird UI things happening, its quite disconcerting.

I can't recall ever having performance issues with Lr before....

[COBill]

@lewis_kemper 

I didn't read your question correctly, my mistake. I don't believe that Lightroom will work with an external GPU. Saw that posted somewhere but don't remember where it was. 

[COBill]

Is anyone having these problems on a Windows machine? If this is strictly macOS, that will help the Lightroom developers isolate the issue. 

[jakemckee23]

After years of complaining about how slow LR Classic is, the latest 2021 update brought me great joy... at least for the first two sessions I was using it. It was flat out peppy! Images were opening fast, going through the pick process was moving at a rapid clip. 

Then today, the third session I'm using LR Classic 2021, it's BOGGED down slow. Slower than 2020 previously. I restarted the computer, left all other apps closed, and same speed behaviors. 

I am running the latest MacOS Catalina 10.15.7 and have made no OS or software updates after updating LR Classic to 2021 version. 

I'm running on a 2019 MacBook Pro laptop with no other issues of any kind. 

[jakemckee23]

Here is my Lr System info: 

Lightroom Classic version: 10.0 [ 202010011851-ef6045e0 ]
License: Creative Cloud
Language setting: en-US
Operating system: Mac OS 10
Version: 10.15.7 [19H2]
Application architecture: x64
Logical processor count: 16
Processor speed: 2.4 GHz
SqLite Version: 3.30.1
Built-in memory: 32,768.0 MB
Real memory available to Lightroom: 32,768.0 MB
Real memory used by Lightroom: 2,618.7 MB (7.9%)
Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 32,387.7 MB
Memory cache size: 2,251.3MB
Internal Camera Raw version: 13.0 [ 610 ]
Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5
Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2,AVX,AVX2
Camera Raw virtual memory: 1564MB / 16383MB (9%)
Camera Raw real memory: 1632MB / 32768MB (4%)
Displays: 1) 6016x3384

Graphics Processor Info: 
Metal: AMD Radeon Pro 5500M

Application folder: /Applications/Adobe Lightroom Classic
Library Path: /Users/xxxxxxxxxx/Library/Mobile Documents/com~apple~CloudDocs/a_Lightroom/Master_Lightroom_Catalog/Master_Lightroom_Catalog-2 2-v10.lrcat
Settings Folder: /Users/xxxxxxxxxx/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Lightroom

Installed Plugins: 
1) AdobeStock
2) Aperture/iPhoto Importer Plug-in
3) Facebook
4) Flickr
5) Nikon Tether Plugin
6) Smart Shooter 4

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