Images horizontal mirrored in Lightroom Classic are opened upside down in Photoshop

[HubertusausBerlin]

Hello Community & experts!

Lightroom Classic 13.4

Photoshop 25.11

After I have horizontally mirrored images in ARW format in Lightroom and open these images for editing in Photoshop, they are shown there mirrored as edited - but upside down.

Is this a bug or an incorrect setting?

Does anyone have an idea - or can reproduce the problem?

Thanks a lot in advance!

Hubertus

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System:

Windows 11 pro (23H2)

Photoshop 2024 Version 25.11

AMD Rysen 9 79503D 16Core 4.20GHz
64 GB RAM

[HubertusausBerlin]

PS: Something else I have noticed:

When I open the same mirrored image in Topaz AI, it is shown the right way (and mirrowed like before in Lightroom).

Also: When I open ARWs in Lightroom via shortcut in Photoshop, the intermediate question ‘Open copy with Lightroom changes’ does not appear. Is this correct?

However, the changes to the mirroring from Lightroom are still transferred to Photoshop...

[Per Berntsen]

Also: When I open ARWs in Lightroom via shortcut in Photoshop, the intermediate question ‘Open copy with Lightroom changes’ does not appear. Is this correct?

By @HubertusausBerlin

You only get this dialog with rendered files – tiff, jpg, etc.

When sending a raw file to Photoshop for editing, the edits from LrC will be applied silently in Camera Raw to a new file, which will then open in PS, which cannot open raw files. When you save this file, it will either be a Tiff or PSD, depending on your settings in LrC preferences > External editing.

As for your main question, I'm afraid I don't have an answer.

I tried this on my Windows 10 computer, and horizontally flipped images open correctly in PS.

You could try resetting the LrC preferences, see https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/help/reset-preferences.html

[John R Ellis]

No version of LR has been able to correctly handle photo orientation completely correctly, and there are long- standing bug reports filed about various issues. I'm not able to reproduce what you're observing, but I may not be doing the precise steps you are. It would be good to nail down the issue and file a bug report.  

Can you please share a problem .arw that's been mirrored here?  Select it in Library and do Metadata > Save Metadata To File. Then upload it and its .xmp sidecar to Dropbox, Google Drive, or similar and include the public sharing link here.

[GoldingD]

and open these images for editing in Photoshop,

My reply deleted, I overlooked your second reply that clearly indicates that you are indeed selecting Edit In Photoshop.

[HubertusausBerlin]

Hi guys!

Thanks for the quick feedback! ( @John R Ellis, @GoldingD, @Per Berntsen ).

- I have reset preferences - but no change achieved.

- I always save XMP as a separate file: here is an example of a flipped image:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/32vz28nrpaqgqs2utwvly/AF2S7OsIyab8Lmx8es-s88I?rlkey=3mzpx91juxcso5jc3...

The JPG in the folder shows the original orientation. In Lightroom catalogue it has been flipped and the alignment is to the left there.

- I have made some other significant colour corrections as a test - these are also applied when opening in Photoshop. Only the orientation is still wrong (image is upside down).

- And as already written - when I open the same image in Topaz Photo AI, for example, it is shown the right way round. I have therefore also reset Photoshop once, but that doesn't work either.

- Then I mirrored another RAW format: a Fuji RAF, and this time: this flipping is applied in Photoshop!

So is something not (or no longer) working properly with the Sony ARW format? Perhaps is this a bug?

[GoldingD]

A workflow I just undertook to test

1. I download your image and your xmp file
2. I copy the image and the XMP file to a test folder
3. I open my test LrC catalog
4. I import (ADD) your image
5. I look at the image in the Develop Module. History states are only the first one (Import)
6. I go back into the Library module, and I read the metadata from file
7. Back in the Develop module, I notice two additional history states, Reset Settings, and White Balance as Shot.

I assume those are the edits you undertook. And that you did in fact edit the WB (as opposed to LrC doing that, a current bug with embedded profiles)

8. In LrC, /Photo/Flip Horizontal/

9. Edit in Photoshop

yep, up side down.

For a second attempt at this, but without your xmp

1. I removed the photo from my catalog
2. I deleted the xmp file
3. I imported the photo (ADD)
4. I looked at the image in the Develop Module. History states are only the first one (Import)
5. In LrC, /Photo/Flip Horizontal/
6. Edit in Photoshop

yep, up side down

Now, I keep a test catalog and it includes various images from other members that had problems, to be tested, but yours is the only ARW at hand. The others, CR2, CR3, DNG, NEF, RAF, RW2, behave.

[John R Ellis]

Invoking Edit In Photoshop on a photo rotated in-camera with EXIF:Orientation = 270 degrees clockwise that has been flipped horizontally in LR opens the photo in Photoshop upside down.

To reproduce on LR 13.4 / Photoshop 25.11.0 / Mac OS 14.5:

1. Download and import this raw, which was rotated in-camera with EXIF:Orientation = 270 degrees clockwise:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/eqhxuwn3zm0nj6t/photoshop-orientation-bug.2024.07.29.ARW?dl=0

2. Do Photo > Flip Horizontal.

3. Do Photo > Edit In > Edit In Photoshop. Observe that the photo in PS is upside down.

[John R Ellis]

@Rikk Flohr: Photography, please consider moving to Bugs -- see the recipe I posted above.