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Saving as TIF, how to set "Layer Compression" default as ZIP?

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Hi! My workflow in Photoshop has always been non-destructive. Just incase I want to come back, to revisit edits. So I save all the layers, and never flatten.

With the ever growing size of raw on these newer cameras, I've been hitting the 4GB limitation for layered TIF, even if compression is ZIP. I've found that enabling Layer Compression to ZIP always gets me under the 4GB limit to get it to play nice in my workflow.

Is there a way to set default behavior of Layer Compression to ZIP? I'm tiring of having to Save As, and hitting the ZIP option.

Thank you!

P.S. is there a better way to use an alternative format like PSB, and have the Lightroom Classic catalog/stack it by default? I rely on LrC a lot, so that would be a requirement.

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mlphoto.rawAutor

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ok, so I decided to dive into this further tonight.

I'm running Adobe LrC 13.0.2. and Adobe Photoshop Beta 25.4.0
Based on the few comments here about PSB, I went into LrC preferences and changed the external editing file preference like this:

I initially thought PSD is same as PSB. I found this out little later that i was wrong.

My work flow typically, I do the ACR/LR adjustments in the Lightroom Classic, and right click and edit-in... Photoshop:

For this test, I took this image, and expanded the image using the AI crop tool, to give it some file size, and did my usual layer work flow on it.

original is 5760x8640, and resulting image is 8086x12129.

And then, I saved it, and it gave me an error that the image exceeded the 2GB limit for PSD. So I saved it as PSB as it suggested, and lo-and-behold, LrC recognized the PSB, and stacked the images automatically.

And then, I tried to replicate the TIF saving issue where it exceeds 4GB, and when I attempted to save it as uncompressed TIF with uncompressed layers it did the same error, suggesting to save as PSB.

The problem here, is why, within the Lightroom preference panel for external editing, there is only PSD or TIFF. Obviously PSB is the ideal choice here, but is there anyway to have the Lightroom default to PSB for external editing?

Also is there any way to make the Photoshop default to compress ZIP and Layer ZIP in TIF? So when I have ~50-100 images open in photoshop, going through my workflow, and constantly get interrupted by these error messages, and I have to manually hit OK, and save as PSB or hit Cancel and Save As, and hit the layer compression ZIP radio button.

Perhaps @Mark.Dahm can point me in the right direction?

Conrad_C

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Also is there any way to make the Photoshop default to compress ZIP and Layer ZIP in TIF? So when I have ~50-100 images open…
By @mlphoto.raw

I have also seen that Save As to TIFF with ZIP is sticky. That means if I save one file as TIFF ZIP, the next 1 or 1000 files that I Save As will also default to TIFF ZIP. But, the problem is that “sticky” only means it’s re-applying what was done last time. Which means, if for just one file I need to Save As to different specs like Photoshop PSD, now those are the specs that stick, so the next time I need TIFF ZIP, it is time to set it manually again, and now that will stick.

It’s worth noting that if the problem is that TIFF/PSD files are exceeding 4GB too often, adding ZIP compression to TIFF will only be an unreliable stopgap, mostly because ZIP space savings can be highly variable depending on content, so the ZIP option will not always be able to get it under 4GB. PSB (Large Document Format) is the only viable long term solution you want to focus on if you have to get past the 4GB limit reliably.

And then, I saved it, and it gave me an error that the image exceeded the 2GB limit for PSD. So I saved it as PSB as it suggested, and lo-and-behold, LrC recognized the PSB, and stacked the images automatically.
By @mlphoto.raw

For that, you can thank the many users who repeatedly badgered Adobe to add PSB import support to Lightroom Classic so that the increasing number of too-big-for-PSD/TIFF documents could be cataloged. This feature was finally added in 2020, see the feature request Support cataloging PSB files (Status: Released, Upvotes: 174). over on the Ideas section of this community.

Adobe has not yet made PSB one of the options for sending from Lightroom Classic to Photoshop. This has already been requested so Adobe is aware that some want it, see Add PSB as a file format for external editing (Status: No status, Upvotes: 9). The request has been sitting there since 2020 and needs to be upvoted and pushed by other users to advance it up past other potential Lightroom Classic feature requests and bug fixes being added by other users to the Ideas list. So it might not happen for a while.

Ultimately, if it would save you a tremendous amount of time to make Photoshop save to PSB or TIFF ZIP every time without fail, and if you need it done right now (without waiting for a feature request to be approved and developed) the answer is going to be two parts:

A custom Photoshop action or script that does a Save As, chooses the format, and sets the correct options. An action for this could be built in a minute.
An easy trigger. For an action, put the Actions panel in Button Mode so you can run that action in one click. Or, map it to a function key or key+modifier, and just whack that key every time you need a save to PSB or TIFF ZIP. Some will map that function key shortcut to their Stream Deck or Touch Portal app so they can hit a button on another device being used as a Photoshop control surface.

If this is that critical to workflow efficiency, there are already so many customized automation options in Photoshop that you shouldn’t have to do all those mouse clicks manually or wait for Adobe to make a feature request happen.

mlphoto.rawAutor

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Here is how action should be recorded if you want to save in specific folder with current file name. Action below is saving image open in Photoshop in Desktop folder named New Folder. It will save file or image as TIFF with ZIP compression using current file name.

You can also assign keyboard shortcut to play action. Doble click on the right side of action name then set shortcut to play action.

thank you @Bojan Živković11378569 , problem with this is, that I have to point it to the folder I want it saved, by manually clicking away to find the folder.

Compared to just hitting save, and having it automatically save to the parent folder that the original RAW came from. The script that @Stephen Marsh provided works beautifully, cept the dialog I can't get rid of.

Stephen Marsh

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In a quick test (Intel Mac, Ps2021), the TIFF save settings were sticky, even after quitting and restarting Photoshop.

mlphoto.rawAutor

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I should try this test on my m2 mbp, I thought I saw the same behavior few months ago.

D Fosse

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I never compress anything, so I wanted to see what zip compression actually does.

I took a random file, a few layers, that saves uncompressed at slightly over 2 GB.

With full zip compression it saves at 1.24 GB.

With zip layer compression it saves at 1.25 GB.

So far so good. But now to what mainly interests me: how long does it take?

Uncompressed it saves in under 2 seconds. Basically instant.

With full zip compression it saves in 44 seconds (!)

With zip layer compression it saves in 35 seconds.

I really, really have a hard time seeing how such an insignificant size reduction is worth the long save times. It certainly isn't for me.

Now - I use PSB, and I do agree with one thing. There should be a preference to set that as the default format, so that you don't have to choose it every time.

mlphoto.rawAutor

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Thank you for your test, however on my end, the size difference is significant with many layers.

D Fosse

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OK, but how long does the save take?

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