Subclips in a production behave differently than standalone

[trevora3]

Match framing subclips back to master clips does not work if they are in separate projects in a production.

Steps to recreate

1. Import master clip to master clip project in a production 

2. Create subclips and move to a subclips project in the production

3. Create an edit in an edits project in the production & add the subclips made above

4. Match frame from sequence X2 

Expected behaviour:

Sequence should first match to subclip, then to master clip.

Observed behaviour:

Subclip does not match frame to masterclip (like it does where everything is in one project).

Added bonus:

Make one of the subclips NOT be restricted to trim region - now the 2nd match frame matches to the start of this sub clip, regardless of actual match point.

[trevora3]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u8ehbMWdE3U7dKT9RDgd6bl0FxJOA5z9 -screen rec of error

[sharon editrix]

It would be great if this bug could be addressed. It's causing me a serious headache, working on a feature documentary. 

[jamieclarke]

Hi @trevora3 -  Thanks for submitting your bug report. We need a few more details to try to help with the issue.

Thank you for your video what are your system specs?

Subclips with unrestricted handles have never matched back to their master clips, since unrestricted subclips allow you to extend the clip in the timeline beyond the original in/out points. In this case, it sounds like you may also be running into a linking issue within the Production.

Try selecting your sequence, then go to Edit > Reassociate Source Clips…, choose your master clip project, and then go to Edit > Consolidate Duplicates. This should help reestablish the proper links across the projects.

Sorry for the frustration.

[trevora3]

Hi @jamieclarke 

I never use PP subclips - I find them to be unusable compared to Avid, but I was able to confirm @sharon editrix issues with them.

You can ignore the unrestricted subclip match action, but the restricted sub clip does not match properly in a production unless everything is in the same project. Which is undesirable for those using them.

I suspect it's the same on different versions and OS but I did that testing on macos and PP v25

[sharon editrix]

Since trevora3 posted this to follow up on a post I made on Reddit, I'll respond. I'm using a Mac Studio, Apple M4 Max with 36 GB memory (standard build, I just bought it a few days ago), running Adobe Premiere Pro Version 25.5.0 (Build 13). I did create my subclips with unrestricted handles. I tried what you suggested but it didn't seem to fix the issue: when hitting Match Frame on subclip in the Source Monitor, it doesn't load the Master Clip. I get that there are workarounds, but I'd prefer to have Match Frame on subclips work the way it normally does in Premiere projects. In Media Composer, I use this function all the time combined with Reveal in Project to navigate to the original source bin without having to dig around with the mouse. 

[sharon editrix]

To explain why I do this: sometimes I want to match back to the original source bin quickly so I can grab another interview clip from the same character, or look for some B-roll that I know was shot in the same roll. I know it may seem strange to be so focused on doing the all with keyboard shortcuts, but it makes everything so much faster. I am really struggling with how often the mouse is necessary to complete a function that in Media Composer I could do with one keyboard shortcut. It's breaking my flow having to work like this.

[jamieclarke]

I’ll get this written up for the team. I’m not sure whether this behavior will be changed, but I’ll make sure it’s on their radar and that we have clear documentation either way.

[MyerPj]

Thanks @jamieclarke , I upvoted this thread in case that is helpful.

[sharon editrix]

Thank you, Jamie, I appreciate that. 

[trevora3]

Subclips with unrestricted handles have never matched back to their master clips, since unrestricted subclips allow you to extend the clip in the timeline beyond the original in/out points.

Thanks for pushing up the line @jamieclarke 

The above is a bit of a non-sequiter though - I don't see a reason why unrestricted subclips wouldn't match back to master clips just because they can be extended?

Unrestricted subclips should really be like sections of clips in a timeline - these can always be extended to the limits if the underlying master clips and matched back to them.

I can see that restricting a subclip may have value in some circumstances, but unrestricted would be the more useful.