Logging workflow - segmentation marker shortcut OR see markers on clips OR extendable subclips

[Guest]

I am switching back to Premiere after almost ten years. I have been editing with Avid, Resolve and FCPx in the meantime and lately got used to the very easy keywords in FCPx for quick logging of my footage. Now I was hoping Premiere would have improved in ten years. So whats the best way to quickly log footage and have access to all my markers fast?

In FCPx i can play through all my clips continuously in the clip browser. So if one clip ends it directly jumps to the next one and continues playback. In the meantime I can just select any IO-Ranges and press a shortcut for any keyword. This was i can SEE a range marker on the clip-thumbnails in the browser PLUS I have access to this range in a folder, so I can immediately after that add it to the timeline.

In Premiere I cannot find any easy way.

I can add markers to single clips but I cannot see those markers on the thumbnails in the browser.

AND I cannot activate continuous playback so I have to select each clip separately to log it.

So this doesnt seem the way to go.

AND I didnt find a shortcut to transform my in and out points to a segmentation marker. I think I always have to add a marker and then drag it to convert it to a segmentation.. which takes too long.

I can try three "old fashioned" ways, but they both have their flaws.

I can just edit all my highlights into a new timeline, but then I dont know where the highlights are located in my raw footage. So I cannot see where to scrub through my footage - I always have to use "match frame", which is not good to get an overview of my edit.

I can add all my footage to a single sequence and add coloured markers to this sequence.

Which could be fine, but then I have go through all this footage again, add in an out points and add those bits to the timeline.

I can use subclips to edit out some bits of my clips.

But then when I need to "match frame" later on, it redirects me to those subclips and I cannot extend the selection beyond the borders of the subclip easily.

Whats your workflow to quickly get an overview of your footage and immediately start editing afterwards?

[R Neil Haugen]

I think @Warren Heaton or @Jarle Leirpoll could give asisstance?

[Guest]

Thanks for your help! I know some years ago there was adobe prelude which only existed to make logging in premiere easier. As its running out I was hoping they implemented some of those features in premiere.

[R Neil Haugen]

I used Prelude also. Some of the features were totally 'rad'.

You can check the logging/metadata panel. Some Prelude type stuff can be done there.

[Guest]

I am afraid the Metadata Panel only helps adding Metadata to whole clips. Which doesnt help a lot, as a lot of my clips are about 20 Minutes long..

[Guest]

I was hoping for something like this in FCPx:

During playback I can just select ranges with in and out shortcuts and add keywords.

I can SEE then on my clips in the browser PLUS I get a folder with subclips for every keyword, and they are not restricted like those from premiere. If I add them to the timeline they just lead me to the part of the original clip..

[Kevin-Monahan]

Moved to ideas.

[Guest]

This is not an "idea" - its a real big issue for me. I dont really know how to log large amounts (about 20 hours) of footage for a documentary this way.

[Kevin-Monahan]

Hi @Deleted User,

Sorry about that. Aren't these feature requests? Sorry if I'm reading you wrong. In these forums, ideas=feature requests. I will gladly move this idea back to the discussions forum if you like.

Thanks,
Kevin

[Guest]

Thanks! Would be great if you could move it back. I was hoping someone could help me to get a feasible workflow to log large amounts of footage.. I was just giving an example so people can understand the problem

[R Neil Haugen]

That's done typically on the Logging and metadata Workspace. Easiest place to add bulk data. Or apply an ALE file.

[Guest]

Thanks, how can you do those things in the Metadata Workspace? And why apply ALE? Should I log in another application and export my markers, because its not possible in Premiere?

[R Neil Haugen]

There are a couple plugins that can do wonders with markers and at times organization. Check the Knights of the Editing table site ...  they've got some good ones.

I've seen Karl Soule demonstrate tracking massive long-form projects with thousands of assets, several ALE's compiled into the production metadata ... so the overall process can be done.

That said, every one of these apps is different. Something that's slick and easy in one, ain't there in another. But ... there's a way to get to the final need somehow.

[Guest]

Thanks Neil! I will definitely check it out before starting out with the documentary. Ive seen a lot of plugins crash in the middle of a documentary and destroying my work so I will definitely test then on shorter pieces before.

[Kevin-Monahan]

Got it.

[Warren Heaton · Accepted solution]

I miss Prelude.  I'd love to see "Prelude Logging Mode" in Premiere Pro.

Being able to mark Ranges and set Keywords in Final Cut Pro X is a nice feature.  It would be nice to see something similar in Premiere Pro.

After using Match Frame on a Subclip, go to Edit Subclip... (right-click or set a custom keyboard shortcut) and check "Convert to Source Clip" to be able to go to the Media Start and the Media End of the Source Clip instead of In and Out set at the time the Subclip was made.

I like to assemble all of the source footage in Source Sequences (ideally each Source Sequence is well organized as needed for the current project) and then use that as the Source to Insert and Overwrite as Individual Clips to the Edit Sequence.  While working in the Source panel with a Source Sequence, the Up and Down arrow keys work for Next Edit and Previous Edit, the Timeline Markers show, and the Markes panel can be used to go to Clip Markers (with Thumbnails) quickly.  

"Pancake" style editing with the Source Sequence Timeline stacked Above the Edit Sequence Timeline in the same Panel is very helpful (especially with Extended Markers on clips).

In the Marker panel, "Show Sequence Timecode" and "Show all clip markers in Sequence" are worth taking note of.

Watch out for command + option + m, Clear Markers.

Next Marker (shift + m) and Previous Marker (shift + command + m) ignore the out of an Extended Marker (unfortunately), but adding shift during a click and drag toggles Timeline snapping if "Snap Playhead in Timeline when Snap is Enabled" is disabled and allows the Playhead to snap to the out of an Extended Marker.

If exporting Markers via File > Export > Markers..., ensure the Description text field has corresponding information.  Otherwise, the resulting text document is not very helpful.

Anyone cutting a documentary should give Text-Based Editing a try.

[Guest]

Thanks for this great help warren! Thats a good workaround, although I was hoping that Premiere would have improved logging in the past ten years. But nothing has happened at all, although its the absolute basic fuctionality of a NLE.

I am very curious about Text-Based-Editing. This is one of the reasons to switch back to Premiere - and the Sony Catalyst stabizations plugin, which limits performance unfortunately.