No duplicate frame markers for nested multi-cam sequences

[jcomninellis]

I am cutting a 60min documentary in Premiere Pro 13.1.4 (Build 2). All of the interviews were first nested into multicam sequneces and then those nested multicam sequences were brought into the main sequences to be cut together into the story. Previously I have always cut these films together with the raw interview clips on the timeline, rather than nested multicam sequences.

The problem I'm having is that the clips I cut from the nested multicam sequences don't show duplicate frame markers.

The check marker for Show Duplicate Frame Markers is checked. Attached screenshot shows the problem in action.

As you can see, the duplicate frame marker is present on the raw clips, but not on the nested multi-cam clips.

This is a serious issues as knowing which quotes are used in different parts of the film is something that is constantly being reevaluated and seeing where a quote has already been used elsewhere (by the presence of dupilcate frame markers) saves a tremendous amount of time in checking and rechecking the contents of each clip on the timeline.

I have not been able to find any other posts about this. Google shows one, but the link takes me to the adobe support home page so I belive it no longer exists.

Please help! This could save me hours and hours of work.

[michaelscottijr]

Hi jcomninellis!

Based on your information provided, it looks like one of two things may be happening here:

1. You are nesting your cameras on the timeline but are not actually turning turning them into multi-cam clips via right click > Multi-Camera > Enable, which will then show you your duplicate frame markers.

2. This is the more likely scenario - You have your multicams successfully built and strung out in Selects sequences, then you are loading those sequences into the source monitor and cutting into your scene timelines from there. This is a great workflow, except you have turn off "Insert and overwrite sequences as nests or individual clips" on your timeline settings. See reference #1 below. On your timeline, this option is checked on, which means you are cutting in a "nest" of your selects sequence and not the actual multicam clip. Further indication that these are nests and not multi-cams is that there is no [MC1] or [MC2] in front of the clip name on the green clips on your timeline. If you click off this feature and try cutting in the same clip on your timeline, it should be your actual multi-cam and not the sequence it is sitting in. I would recommend picking two different clip colors for your multi-cam sequences and your "Selects" Sequences in your bins, so that you can quickly tell that you need to toggle this feature in the future.

Reference #1 

Please let me know if this is helpful and if you have any more questions!

-Michael

 

[michaelscottijr · Accepted solution]

Also, just to add to this: If it is indeed Scenario #2, all of the work you have already done IS STILL usable. All you have to do is:

1. select all the clips on the timeline that SHOULD have duplicate frame markers, right click > Multi-Camera > Enable.

2. select all the clips again, right click > Multi-Camera > Flatten. You should now see your duplicate frames!

If you make sure to change the multi-camera clips to any other color than green, then you'll know you are looking at the right clips when the color of the clip changes on the timeline.

[Ariel_Brener]

It is a workaround, but it is not a solution. Most of the times I don't want to flatten my multi cam clips, especially when I'm editing so this is not a solution but work around for only one percent of the scenarios. 

Adobe should address this immediately this is a huge setback

[jcomninellis]

IT WORKED! 

You were correct that the clips in my example did not have multi-cam enabled, but others on the timeline were multi-cam and had the same problem. 

I clicked the "Insert or overwrite sequences as nests or individual clips" and the problem was SOLVED (once I converted the remaining clips to multi-cam).

I've never even noticed that button before this. I'll be honest, I don't fully understand what its doing, but for now I am just so happy that much problem is fixed.

Now I have those gorgeous duplicate frame markers!

Thank you so much!

[michaelscottijr]

So happy to hear this worked! Happy cutting! If you don't mind marking this one as solved, others will be able to more quickly find the answer in the future. 🙂

[jcomninellis]

Happy to! Unfortunately this is my first post and I'm not sure how to do that. LOL

[michaelscottijr]

eh, I am new here too and I don't know how to either. I was hoping you did. hahah.

[jcomninellis]

Ha! We need support for our support thread!

[MyerPj]

I think Michael is onto something because the feature does work, I just tried some new ones for you and worked fine. 

If you've created the source sequences successfully, selecting the clips in the project panel and right-click to Create Multicam Sequence. Then you have that. Did you than right-click that new Source Sequence that was created and select 'New Sequence from Clip'. That will give a a MC sequence you can use for editing, and from that timeline, if you enable the multicam view in the PROGRAM monitor, you will see the various cameras and can start editing from there. Otherwise as Michael notes, you have been a renaming machine 🙂 cause those clips are not named like a multi-cam edit.

[michaelscottijr]

Also, just to add to this: If it is indeed Scenario #2, all of the work you have already done IS STILL usable. All you have to do is:

1. select all the clips on the timeline that SHOULD have duplicate frame markers, right click > Multi-Camera > Enable.

2. select all the clips again, right click > Multi-Camera > Flatten. You should now see your duplicate frames!

If you make sure to change the multi-camera clips to any other color than green, then you'll know you are looking at the right clips when the color of the clip changes on the timeline.

[Ariel_Brener]

Same here! I edit with nested sequenced and multicams all of the time and for some reason, ADOBE doesn't include duplicated frames in nested sequences - I really cannot comprehend WHY. Please adobe add this basic essential feature to Premiere there is no Logic in excluding duplicated frames for nested sequences or multi-cam clips.
and sorry but flattening multicam is no solution or workaround - when I use multicam I use it for a reason I I don't want to break it just because this essential feature is missing for no logical reason.