Odd behavior when adding video clips on top of a nested sequence

[peterkellner1]

I've been stumbling over this a lot lately where I have created a nested sequence, then, when I add some video assets above the nested sequence, it acts like I disable the nested sequence track.  Then, simply sliding the added asset off of the top of the nested sequence it appears again.

I had thought I was crazy, but when it happened today, I carefully went back an repeated the steps I went through and then did a screen grab with audio describing what I was doing. (sorry for the single audio channel, just lazy as my mic only records one channel and I usually run thru a pipeline for production but ... just here among friends, one channel only).

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gkc43z86dfc7dve/premiere-nestedseq-prob.mp4?dl=0

Edit: on the original timeline before I nested it, I don't have this problem at the exact same time in the timeline.  See this attached video for what I mean by that.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1a0eexg2j2zg9zu/premiere-nestedseq-probA.mp4?dl=0

[R Neil Haugen]

I'm puzzled ... what you expected to happen? Media on V2 always 'covers' whatever is on V1 unless you've got a mask going in there.Or it's an Adjustment layer with effects applied or a graphics element.

Neil

[Averdahl]

Don´t use animated gif´s as source video. It has no transpareny and it don´t work=everything goes black.

Either convert it to a video file or export the animation from the app that creates it to a video format that Premiere Pro accepts, such as .mp4/.mov/.avi/.mxf.

[peterkellner1]

@R Neil Haugen and @Averdahl ,  what I expect to happens is that the lower timeline will be shown as it is full screen and the animated gif is just a small part of the screen.  But instead, the full view of the timeline goes black.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5tq2gtrq3om00ec/RightSide_Long_OrangeDark.gif?dl=0

I also updated the question to include another short video showing that if I do the exact same layering on top of the original timeline (before I did the "nest"), it works as I expect without blacking out the rest of the video.  It seems to me there is something different about nesting, or some weird bug.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1a0eexg2j2zg9zu/premiere-nestedseq-probA.mp4?dl=0

[Averdahl]

No, that file has no transparency. The reason why it appears to have transparency is that your timeline´s width and height is larger than the animation that is 960x130. So if you place it in a 1920x1080 timeline you will see part of the video on Video 1 since 960x130 on Video 2 is smaller.

I would personally avoid using animated gif´s and would have used a standard video format for the animation, iow a format that is standard for video editing applications. The frame rate of the gif is 33,33 fps and that can cause issues down the road. Always use standard video framerates such as 24 fps, 25 fps, 29.97 fps, 30 fps, 50 fps, 60 fps. Make sure that the timeline matches as well. Otherwise the final render will look odd and stuttery.

[peterkellner1]

Actually, the animated gif is Image Size: 960 x 130, so that should not affect the rest of the page (I'm not scaling it here)

[Averdahl]

That suggests that you have setup the timeline wrong. HD video is 1920x1080 and you can go to Sequence > Sequence Settings to verify.

[peterkellner1]

All my content I create myself from full screen recordings at 1920x1080 so there shouldn't be an difference there. I just checked both the sequence and the nested sequence and they are the same (see attached).

  

What baffles me is that I thought the point of nesting is that you can do a "right mouse/nest" of a timeline and then you can work on that nest as if it's one timeline in an identical way you would if you left all the cuts there, but now you have a fresh, no cuts sequence to work on.  

The first 10x this happened, I just worked around it with screen snaps and encoding and reimporting, but this is getting very tiring.

[Averdahl]

What baffles me is that I thought the point of nesting is that you can do a "right mouse/nest" of a timeline and then you can work on that nest as if it's one timeline in an identical way you would if you left all the cuts there, but now you have a fresh, no cuts sequence to work on.

By peterkellner1

What you see when you nest is expected. For example, if you have a timeline with 7 video layers, 7 audio layers and 50 cuts and nest that timeline you get 1 video and audio layer and no cuts. If you still want all cuts you want to duplicate the timeline you are working in.

Why are you using the nest command in the first place, what do you want to achive when you nest? 🙂

I have tried to reproduce your issue but cannot do that. What properties do the title have, iow is it created in Premiere Pro with Essential Graphic, Photoshop. If the latter, what file type is it, .psd, .jpg, .gif?

[peterkellner1]

Another piece of information. I has nothing to do with the gif.  i get the same behavior when I just have graphic (title) on the page.

[Ann Bens]

Make new sequence and copy everything over.

Or

make new project and import this one

or

make a new nest from scratch

or

FAQ: How to reset (trash) preferences.

Dont use gifs for lower 3rd, beside this one has an odd framerate.

[peterkellner1]

Sadly, no joy.  same problem, but it did reveal that I was saving my project to the place I was not expecting so some value there.

[peterkellner1]

It's possiblly related to the frame hold in the underlying nested video, but not sure.

[Ann Bens]

Most likely but that is not something you told us upfront.

Trial and error.

[peterkellner1]

I should stop spending time on it but it's hard to take my eye off it.  I found this thread from 2019 that sounds similar.  It's just that I expect PR to always be rock solid and it's not acting that way.

https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro/premiere-pro-cc-nested-sequence-reverse-speed-makes-blac...

[peterkellner1]

I'm going to start a new thread on this since the answers have gotten lost from the actual solution. I called Adobe support and by turning on software encoding the problem went away.  They said it's a known problem with my MacBook and AMD graphics drivers (This happens on both my latest Intel corei9 macbook, as well as my 2015 corei7 macbook.

[peterkellner1]

Adobe says, call Apple, Apple says call Adobe

I have a nested sequence on my timeline and when I put anything above it (simple graphic title does it as well as anything else), the screen video goes full black (see dropbox link).

I called Adobe support this morning and they immediately switch to software encoding and the problem went away. They said it's a known issue with the AMD graphics driver and that I should call Apple and they would update my Graphics Driver and the problem would be solved.  I called Apple, talked to a senior support person and they said in no uncertain terms Adobe is 3rd Party software and they do not support that, and that there are no drivers beyond what comes in the OS available.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gkc43z86dfc7dve/premiere-nestedseq-prob.mp4?dl=0

HELP!!!!!!!!

(I posted this problem earlier on a different thread before contacting Adobe support.  The problem is happening a lot to me now causing major disruption in my editing productivity. )

https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro/odd-behavior-when-adding-video-clips-on-top-of-a-nested-...

[Ann Bens]

Export offending section with software encoding to intermediate file and put that on the timeline.

[peterkellner1]

Thanks Ann, that's what I've been doing but it's getting old.  Is there a shortcut way to do that? I don't know what "render in place is", or something like that.

[Kevin-Monahan]

Right click > Render and Replace. You can certainly try that. Come back with questions.

Kevin

[Kevin-Monahan]

Hey Peter,

Sorry. I'm going to suggest that you may not be meeting system requirements: you need a lot of GPU power for certain workflows these days. With certain workflows it's either going to be turn the GPU off or transcode your 4K H.264 media to ProRes. Many editors skip the step of optimizing media (trancoding, optimizing stills in Photoshop), but that can be a life saver! Unfortunately, even brand new Mac Book "Pros" are not so pro these days with i5 chips and integrated GPUs, I'd say.

H.264 is never a given. What are your hardware specs? What is your precise media specs? Can you recreate the issue in a brand new project?

Thanks,
Kevin

[peterkellner1]

Kevin,

I would have preferred (probably to late), to just delete the original post, as I mentioned in it, the suggestions were all heading in the wrong direction based on my support call with Adobe.  I did mention in that one I was going to create a new one and the reason for it which I still believe is valid.   It looks like the new one got deleted.

Anyhow, as I said in the "Adobe says, call Apple, Apple says call Adobe" post, which probably, no one will ever find now, it happens on my 2020 macbook as well as the 2015 macbook I'm working on so it's not likely limited resources. I didn't mention my specs, but I have 64Gig RAM and the AMD5500 graphics processor in the 2020 one that is now off to apple for repair (nothing to do with this problem).

My current concern, and why I posted is because apple says call adobe and adobe says call apple.  I feel like Adobe is abandoning me on a repeatable issue (I can't duplicate on command, but I have a project that consistently duplicates it).  If there is anyplace that I can go to get escalated, it is "Adobe Case ADB-19132070-Q7M1".  I feel bad for the folks in India right now, but still, when I asked for a 2nd level helper, none could be found.

[Ann Bens]

I think you need to change your workflow, instead of using framehold use framegrabs.

[peterkellner1]

Ann, when you say "framegrab", do you mean just snapshot the timeline and drag that in instead of framehold? I still don't have any indication that is the issue, it's just something I happen to do a lot.

[Kevin-Monahan]

This is a duplicate post. I'm going to merge this thread with the original. Please don't make more than one post per issue.

Thanks!
Kevin