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JesseMS42
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January 5, 2017
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Premiere CC 2017 Adaptive Noise Reduction Delay Issue

  • January 5, 2017
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Hi Everyone,

I edit a lot of interviews and often the footage that is supplied to me has background hissing noise. When I apply the Adaptive Noise Reduction or the DeNoiser effect to a clip there is about a two second delay after I export before the effect works.

I've tried extending and lowering the volume, I've tried putting all the clips that need it on it's own track and using the track mixer to apply the effect, nothing seems to work.

I know I can do this in Audition but when it works in Premiere after the delay its easier, and I think it sounds better.

Does anyone have any suggestions? Am I exporting it on the wrong settings? Is there something I am missing?

I know this has been a problem that has plagued lots of people for years, I don't know why Adobe has not fixed it yet.

Thank you!

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    Correct answer jasontcox

    Ha, I LITERALLY just made a video on this for my next course at PluralSight (but it's not up for another week or so!). Anyway, here's the cheat:

    1. Add the Adaptive Noise Reduction effect to the clip but make sure the clip has about 1-1.5 seconds of audio BEFORE you actually want to hear any of the audio (you might need to make it a J-cut or extend the clip longer from the beginning). Don't worry, we'll fix this in a second)

    2. Add a Volume effect to the clip AFTER the Adaptive Noise Reduction effect (yes, it will look like you have TWO Volume effects on the clip, the original fixed one plus this second one we just added).

    3. Lastly, keyframe the volume using this second Volume effect. Working backwards is probably easiest. Drop a keyframe a few frames before you actually want to here the audio (probably where your original in point was if you lengthened the clip). Then move back a few frames and drop the Volume down as low as it goes (like -287db or something).

    Voila!

    This works because we're changing the order of effects. First, it's using the original volume levels to adaptively remove the noise, THEN we're key framing the volume at the beginning to get rid of any leftover ambient noise at the start.

    It seems tedious but once you do it once, it's really super quick and easy. Hell, you can save this as a preset!

    9 replies

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    jblo
    Inspiring
    April 11, 2018

    I understand it needs to analyze the sound to determine the noise before it can reduce it.

    But why not make it like the stabilize effect? You apply it and it looks at the entire clip in the background, then applies it.

    Maybe it takes a little time, but it's certainly quicker and more effective than adding 3 seconds to hundreds of soundbites.

    My 2 cents.

    OsakaWebbie
    OsakaWebbie
    Inspiring
    May 16, 2018

    Agreed, jblo. It doesn't even need to look at the whole clip - just looking at the first few seconds would suffice. And if it did that, it would work even on clips that don't have any extra on the front even in the original source.

    By the way, I just got a notification of Albright Productions responding with their workaround, but "View the full discussion" link goes to a different thread ID (https://forums.adobe.com/message/10384457) which doesn't exist, and the response is not here either, even though their profile says they responded on this thread (see https://forums.adobe.com/people/Albright%20Productions/content?filterID=participated). Weird. Anyway, their method sounds even more complex than other workarounds proposed - two round-trips of exporting, importing, and replacing audio.

    Novel_MP
    Novel_MP
    Participating Frequently
    March 21, 2018

    I ran into this yesterday on a video. I ended up rendering out just the VO as a wav file and then pulled it into Logic to process the HVAC noise. Rendered out of that and back into Premiere. The Adaptive Noise Reducer is a decent tool once it gets going, but that 1-2 seconds to start up is a dealbreaker. I appreciate all the creativity into the workarounds, but we shouldn't have to do that. Render and replace is NOT a solution either. Adobe needs to fix this, either with an "Apply" or "Process" button that applies the effect non-destructively. That's also one of the problems I have with the "Audition" workflow. Hitting that "edit clip in Audition" is dangerous. It's very clunky to "go back" if you make a mistake or aren't getting the results you want.

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    stephenseagull
    Inspiring
    March 21, 2018

    Agreed we shouldn't have to do this but the method that jasontcox invented / explained works very well and non-destructively all within Premiere. I used longer handles than 1 - 1.5 seconds but that's the only variation.

      cameronc27155319
      cameronc27155319
      Participating Frequently
      March 8, 2018

      Shame on you Adobe

      So if the audio track mixer with denoiser isnt working for you, give this a try.

      >Apply denoiser to entire track with noise using audio track mixer.

      (this should now reduce noise on all clips apart from the first which still has a 2 second delay)

      >Add a few seconds of noisy sound before your first clip.

      >Apply a volume effect from the volume pannel to this noisy sound clip. (not the normal volume controls)

      >Reduce the db until silent

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      stephenseagull
      Inspiring
      March 8, 2018

      I didn't know you could apply effects with the mixer...

      I did it clip by clip and extended a few seconds ahead of every clip, then did a volume effect to mute the handle after the adaptive noise reduction filter.

      psion99
      psion99
      Inspiring
      December 22, 2017

      I just learned that you can apply the "adaptive noise reduction" effect to the whole track in the Audio Track Mixer window.  That gives you a hiss on the first two seconds of the very first video clip, but does not have an issue with any of the subsequent clips.   So just put your dialogue track on A1, make sure there are no gaps between the files, and hopefully it should work.  I'm testing it now, and so far, it seems to help

      Oren Agami
      Oren Agami
      Participant
      December 5, 2017

      I found a partial solution, it helps to avoid the two seconds bug if you want to apply noise reduction to multiple clips, in cases such as interviews etc: Unlink the audio from the video and nest it, then apply the effect on the nested sequence. Using this method will contain the bug to only the beginning of your main sequence.

      julianm44443758
      julianm44443758
      Inspiring
      December 6, 2017

      I have the same problem with the delay with Adaptive Noise removal, I'm running Windows 10 and I was told by someone in Adobe that the delay is because I don't have a soundcard in my relatively new computer.  I doubt that somewhat. I was told I don't need a soundcard by the computer sales person when i bought this computer,  Do people in this thread who have the problem with Adaptive noise removal delay as well, have soundcards or not ?

      OsakaWebbie
      OsakaWebbie
      Inspiring
      December 6, 2017

      Challenges is what makes a company great if willing to take it on and make the program even better than before making us the customers happy who pay for it and will continue to pay for it.  I hope they welcome this challenge and show us why they are indeed top dogs in the field among many others.

      Premier and Audition has always ran well for me but even with obsolete, I had the same problem at the beginning of every clips I cut.  From there, I took all of my clips to Pro Tools and resulted exactly in what I wanted my clip to sound like with less background noise that gets recorded no matter how quiet an environment is.  I would suggest to them to speak with developers who do nothing but with sound software design and bring that tech to their software.

      This is their forte and the answers I leave to them to find so my $60 a month is worth my paying for software I need to work day in day out.  Do I feel sorry?  If I did, if we all did, Adobe wouldn't have come this far.  Because we didn't, they have come a long way by creating software we need and are willing to pay for.  I put my faith in the programmers to figure it out just as my clients don't feel sorry for the amount of work I put into their videos because they paid for result and don't care about the amount of hours I put into it.  All they want is the end result.  And I enjoy this way of thinking because no matter what, I hold myself accountable with no excuses especially when I mess up shots.  

      Perhaps you can help them since you are a programmer. I'd like to hear more of what you believe is wrong with the software and what you believe can make it work. 


      I have no interest in dropping what I'm doing and applying for a job at Adobe - I'm content to be a consumer of their software. Plus, the sort of programming I do these days is quite different - online databases are a far cry from heavy-duty signal processing. I merely meant that I can easily imagine how hard it is. Sure, we should hold software of this caliber and expense to a high standard, but I think that overall they do a good job of providing powerful, low-bug-rate software. So, like you, I find the functionality worth the subscription (I juggle projects in print design, web development, and video - these days I spend more time in InDesign and Photoshop than Premiere). Sorry, I don't have a list of bugs and suggested fixes. I just came to this thread to find a solution/workaround for this one.

      Fortunately, my regularly occurring video projects are single-audio-track, so I can get away with the Sequence In/Out workaround. If I have a more complex project before Adobe fixes this, I'll try Oren Agami's nested sequence trick.

      jfredrickson01
      jfredrickson01
      Inspiring
      December 4, 2017

      I'm struggling so hard with this right now. I'm editing an interview that had some background noise and adaptive noise reduction works great until I have to make some cuts. Now I've got the background noise jumping up high at the beginning of every cut. It's really jarring. The workarounds sound great for single clips, but what are you supposed to do when you are making many cuts in one clip?

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      tsu fum10291677
      Participating Frequently
      December 4, 2017

      There isn't much that can be done but more work with a few seconds ahead of the video clip.  Unless CC 2018 solved the problem, that is the only solution. Even Audition doesn't have a solution. Now, the best solution I have found since having posted my last post about it being a workflow killer was to edit it all to the final product then rendered/exported all the audio and took all the audio to Pro Tools where I was able to get exactly what I wanted. Softwares designed for music is the solution. Even as I thought Audition was designed for that, it isn't. It still lacks some pro qualities that softwares like Pro Tools are built for. There are free music softwares out there that you may find more helpful for voice over or voices in clips.

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      elaineb70415244
      Participant
      November 7, 2017

      This is ridiculous and I am trying to edit a voicer over and the few seconds are throwing out the sequence.  Is there not another solution?

      J
      JesseMS42Author
      Inspiring
      January 6, 2017

      IT WORKED! Thank you so much! This is a great solution.

        jasontcox
        jasontcox
        Inspiring
        January 10, 2017

        Awesome! Glad to hear it. Especially since I just re-read my response and realized step 3 had a huge typo in it when I said "out point" and meant "in point"! lol

        jasontcox
        jasontcoxCorrect answer
        Inspiring
        January 5, 2017

        Ha, I LITERALLY just made a video on this for my next course at PluralSight (but it's not up for another week or so!). Anyway, here's the cheat:

        1. Add the Adaptive Noise Reduction effect to the clip but make sure the clip has about 1-1.5 seconds of audio BEFORE you actually want to hear any of the audio (you might need to make it a J-cut or extend the clip longer from the beginning). Don't worry, we'll fix this in a second)

        2. Add a Volume effect to the clip AFTER the Adaptive Noise Reduction effect (yes, it will look like you have TWO Volume effects on the clip, the original fixed one plus this second one we just added).

        3. Lastly, keyframe the volume using this second Volume effect. Working backwards is probably easiest. Drop a keyframe a few frames before you actually want to here the audio (probably where your original in point was if you lengthened the clip). Then move back a few frames and drop the Volume down as low as it goes (like -287db or something).

        Voila!

        This works because we're changing the order of effects. First, it's using the original volume levels to adaptively remove the noise, THEN we're key framing the volume at the beginning to get rid of any leftover ambient noise at the start.

        It seems tedious but once you do it once, it's really super quick and easy. Hell, you can save this as a preset!

          longopongo
          longopongo
          Participant
          January 12, 2017

          Hello

          I have the same problem

          I did try to add a volume effect from the effects panel - just typing Volume and then dragging and dropping it on top of the sound clip that I extended as you said to do - but I do not see a second volume added on top of the clip, so I cannot lower the volume if not affecting the original clip. What am I doing wrong? Is the video ready to watch now?

          thanks

          Evelin

          jasontcox
          jasontcox
          Inspiring
          January 13, 2017

          Can you attach a screen shot? As soon as you drag the Volume effect onto a clip and then look at that clip's settings in Effect Controls, you should be seeing two Volume effects. Just want to make sure your set up is correct.

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