Where has the titles gone?

[jimmyd65055771]

Just updated my Premiere, and whoops now the titles are gone and in stead there is "Graphics" ???

How do i make titles now???

[Ann Bens · Accepted solution]

You either use the new Graphics or go to File / New / Legacy title to use the old one.

[Ann Bens]

The New Essential Graphics Panel (April 2017) | Adobe Creative Cloud - YouTube

[jstrawn]

https://forums.adobe.com/people/Ann+Bens  wrote

The New Essential Graphics Panel (April 2017) | Adobe Creative Cloud - YouTube

Note: That tutorial is mainly applicable to Motion Graphics Templates (both AE and Pr made ones) workflow, and not the Essential Graphics panel and related features in PrPro. Granted, it does show some editing of Pr Graphics as part of the mogrt workflow, but it's quick and not explicitly called out as the "Graphics Features". This would explain some of the OP's confusion.

For a more comprehensive, Pr-specific view, there are several good user tutorials out there already, including one by Josh Weiss on retooled.net and this one:

GraphicsDemo_Spring2017 on Vimeo

Note: the whole thing is a tad long (17:46) compared to the one Anne shared, but it's annotated so you can scrub around and see simple steps explained with graphic overlays if you don't want to sit through the whole banal thing.

[jimmyd65055771]

well thats lovely thanx. but where do i find this new templates for graphics to install?

I looked on the video and it says that i can browse and make my own?

New layer is not available.

[Ophiuchus]

I found mine by going into the "Window" menu then selecting the "Essential Graphics" option. This made the panel "Essential Graphics" show up and it lists the currently installed templates. All of them seem to have been loaded into the C:\Users\USER\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Commons\Essential Graphics\ directory, at least that is where they are on my W10 machine. It may be different on yours.

[Roei Tzoref]

but where do i find this new templates for graphics to install?

you are not required to install them. they come with the update and you can access them through the essential graphics panel, choose browse.

more about the workflow here: Motion Graphics Template Workflow in After Effects and Premiere Pro CC 2017 (Spring) — Premiere Bro

[Byers Video]

Swell.  so who's bright idea was it to change this?

I'm sure they thought it was best for the development of the app, but what about workflow?

I know, give it some time and it will be forgotten in a few months as we adapt to it.

[lukesfarm]

and how do we duplicate tiles? this is bs

[Kevin-Monahan]

Hi Lukesfarm,

and how do we duplicate tiles? this is bs

Try Alt/Option drag or copy/paste

Kind Regards,
Kevin

[mattheww16023919]

(please read fully as this isnt a negative review even though im confused...)

I had a minor meltdown when I saw this at first. I honestly thought my Premiere was broken because my titles and ability to add a title was gone, right in the middle of an edit with a producer here. It was a bit embarrassing. HOWEVER...

I think this roll out could have been done better because it is clear to me that although it is actually something I had been asking for a lot... Animated title support native inside Premiere... bits of it are seemingly hard to use right now for most of us because its a mystery area and we really do need a lot of tutorials to get around the missing stuff. I may even do one as I think a lot of people are floundering around right now.

I must say though even though the number of titles on offer seesm very limited - these can be added to from outside sources and hopefully from Adobe themselves with more offerings in the future.

One thing that isnt working well is every single title ive tried to load up so far is telling me I dont have the fonts installed and I have to click to "sync" the fonts and then re-open premiere. Perhaps Adobe should have bundled these fonts with the update... hint hint.

So after my meltdown I think we could be onto seeing this becoming a much loved change when these animations start rocking and becoming very flashy looking... so I would say stick with it folks... Premiere needs animated titles... and this is the beginning of something good happening... try and ask them to make it bigger and better and lets see Premiere rock the title world - much like Apple users have had with iMovie... we now have the first glimmers of it inside Premiere!!!! Game on.

[Atlas Imagery]

Is there any way to import all of my preset titles from the legacy version? I make real estate videos and use the same titles for my clients repeatedly. Why wouldn't Adobe warn us that we would lose this feature? A huge part of my workflow is gone.

[R Neil Haugen]

The Legacy Titler panel is still there ... File/New/Legacy Title. I hope you actually read the above posts, and viewed the linked video post, but it doesn't sound from your comments that you have.

So no, your previous workflow isn't gone. The new EGP was a bit of a startlement at first, but it does have a lot of useful things folks have been asking for for ages ... and as they get more of the features they've planned for it ready to roll, they'll bring those out in updates.

And ... use the Legacy Titler to your heart's content. I think within a year we'll mostly all be rather pleased with the new capabilities.

Neil

[Atlas Imagery]

Neil (and ADOBE),

I have read all of the posts. I'm aware of the legacy titler. My question is why has the legacy titler lost the capacity for custom templates (I used the wrong term when I said "presets"). I have created a custom template for each of my real estate clients with their info which I place at the end of each video. It seems I no longer have access to these or the ability to recreate them in the legacy titler.  Again, I know where to find the legacy titler. The legacy titler in the new version is missing a very important feature which it used to have and which I relied on heavily.

Anyway, my two questions remain the same. Can I use my custom templates (the ones I created) in the legacy titler? And why didn't adobe warn us that we would be forced to migrate to a new set of tools while loosing the ones we are used to? This is reminiscent of the Final Cut X roll out, not nearly as bad, but in the same vein.

Thanks

[R Neil Haugen]

First, the only Adobe staffers that normally post here are in Product Support, during a roll-out phase there are occasionally a few PrPro staffers who may check in and even answer a couple things, but ... it isn't a formally monitored forum for the design teams. So addressing "Adobe" ... via these user-to-user forums ... may not actually be addressing Adobe.

The only way to do that really is to file the bug/feature reports ... those are distributed to all managerial types in a tabulated form of some kind, though they rarely respond to the person posting them.

Second, "we" users haven't yet lost anything ... the full old Titler is supposed to be there. The new EGP doesn't have some of the full tool-set yet, but ... it also has some capabilities we've never had, and many have been asking for. So what we've got now is a choice of two ways of doing it ... one (the old one) a more limited concept, but with a decent array of tools; and the new one, a much wider, forward moving concept, with a starter set of tools that will be expanded soon. What's coming will take if far past what has ever been possible with the old-style titler

I can't answer specifically about the templates and the Legacy titler as I haven't tried working with mine yet ... however, IF the ones you've got aren't working, then do file that bug report. The staffers at NAB were very direct that all functions of the "Legacy Titler" should still be functioning.

https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

As to information on the roll-out ... yea, that could have been handled better from a users stand-point. There was some discussion among staffers at NAB as to how ... or should ... that have been handled differently. I certainly made direct comments about the situation myself.

Neil

[jstrawn]

https://forums.adobe.com/people/Atlas+Imagery  wrote

Anyway, my two questions remain the same. Can I use my custom templates (the ones I created) in the legacy titler? And why didn't adobe warn us that we would be forced to migrate to a new set of tools while loosing the ones we are used to? This is reminiscent of the Final Cut X roll out, not nearly as bad, but in the same vein.

1. If, by 'Custom Templates' you mean .prtl items which you created and saved from the Titler using an older version of PrPro, then yes, you can import the prtl files into the project then 2x click on them in the Project Panel (or from within a Timeline Sequence if needed) and they will open right up in the Legacy Titler panel. From there, you can edit and save them, or "Create a New Title Based on Current Title"... you just can't browse to existing templates (which are just prtl's btw) from within that panel. For that you will need to use the media browser, the OS browser (e.g. finder/explorer), or roll back to CC 2017.0.1 or earlier and use the Titler there.

Note: If you choose any 2015.n flavored version you can install it concurrently with and 2017.n version you may already have installed, but dot version from the same cycle (like 2017.0 and 2017.1 cannot co-exist on the same OS)

2. Can we perhaps consider it a warning when we add a new mostly-full-featured Graphics workspace (along with tutorial and docs to help users learn about it) while still preserving the old features for you to roll back to if needed? If not, do you have any specific suggestions for how we might adequately warn you about new features in the future?

[eltomate2k]

Hi, thanks to the above posts I can create titles. However, I having issue finding them on my project folder. Where did the go? I can see them on my timeline, but not in the library panel. HELP!!!

[Kevin-Monahan]

Hi Eltomate2K,

Hi, thanks to the above posts I can create titles. However, I having issue finding them on my project folder. Where did the go? I can see them on my timeline, but not in the library panel. HELP!!!

They don't exist in the project folder as the legacy titles did. Sorry for the confusion. If you create motion graphics templates, and save them to the Library, then they will appear in the Library. Does that make sense? Let us know if you need assistance on this.

Thanks,
Kevin

[wmac01]

Perfect timing! Mad deadlines that will not be made now! F!

[R Neil Haugen]

What is your specific problem?

There are a few things that were interrupted by the addition of the EGP, and the move of the old Titler to File/New/Legacy Title location in the main menus. You can create a custom workspace of course with the old Titler open and use pretty much as before. One apparent deletion is the exporting of the legacy titler titles. You can import them into other projects as part of an imported project file, however.

The new EGP is very confusing at first, as it's completely different as far as everything from the "approach" to the UI and where the various controls for various things are located. As that gets more fully fleshed out in another release, it will pretty much have all the old Titler capabilities. It already has some things we couldn't do before ... and is very slick and useful for some things at current.

So ... you can work the old ... you can work the new.

What issues are you having with titling specifically, so your peers around here can maybe assist you to meet those deadlines?

Neil

[davidm92643928]

Not getting on very well with new titlesPremier Pro. Wasted a lot of time before reverting to old one - but a lot of features missing such as - templates and make a new title from existing etc. Very cross

[Peru Bob]

I suspect that will be fixed in future updates.  That's why the Legacy Titler was not removed.

[truthseekers]

ITS STILL THERE... check it out...
The old titler system is still inside premiere 2017, just like before, but they are trying to ween people away from it by hiding it in a different place. Once you know that place you can use it just like before. Its now located at the top left of your menus... under FILE - >>>   NEW ->>>   LEGACY TITLE  . Happy days. I know how you felt though... I had a depression when I thought it was gone too. Now you can have Legacy there whilst you start to learn what new Titles aks Graphics can do for you.

[jstrawn]

davidm92643928  wrote

a lot of features missing such as - templates and make a new title from existing etc.

Neither of those things are missing from Graphics in PrPro 11.1.1. In fact they are easier to use and more robust than ever. The methods have just changed.

• To make a template, right click on a Graphic in the timeline and choose Export as Motion Graphics Template. Then use the Essential Graphics Panel to drag and drop your exported mogrt from the Browse panel to timeline of any sequence / project.
• To make a new graphic from an existing one just click + alt/option drag on a graphic in the timeline to make a copy of it then edit the layers in that graphic as needed. You can also duplicate layers within a Graphic or copy them to new Graphics.

[elliea84894156]

In correspondence with most of the replys above: Legacy Titles are NOT our saving grace!

I was able to find it before finding this thread. Locating it is not the issue.

How nice of you to leave it there for us frustrated users who've wasted so much time trying to learn this or go back to older versions. The simple fact is that the Legacy Title is not the same as what a majority of us are wanting to revert back to.

When you click on Legacy Title it just pops a window with the title guidelines, a background based off of the program window (as it should) and the few title editing tools above it. Where's the effect controls usually on the right side? The new effect controls for titles in the new update certainly don't look the same. They seem more complicated and disorganized. I feel like I'm going cross-eyed just looking at it. And where's the title presets/templates that usually popup with the title, below the work space area?

Sure the Legacy Title provides a separate work space from the program screen to edit titles, like it did before. But that's it. I don't think the Legacy Titler is a solution for users who don't like the new way of doing titles because it's not the same at all. I went back to an older version and it won't let me open up the project I was working on. Now I'm stuck with this new version and it's wasted half of my day already.

If you disagree with me and still believe that the Legacy Title is the same as it was before then it's evident that Adobe has even made that way too difficult and complicated to use.