Hi - Me and the team I work with enjoy being able to move footage around in the program page while keyframing is enabled. We scroll through the footage while our mouse is over the Program page which allows us to Scroll > Move footage > scroll > move footage, along the clip. Now with this new functionality, this workflow has added steps to it which make the process take far more time.
Please give us the ability to define mouse functions ourselves. I don't doubt that the Mousewheel zoom on the program monitor is useful for many, but give us the ability to /choose/.
I downgraded to 24.3 to get the old behavior back because this change is too disruptive for the way I work. Now I'm getting notifications about new features in 25.0 and there's still no way to revert to the behavior I'm used to. Saying the 'solution' is to retrain years of muscle memory to now aim for a significantly smaller scroll target with incredibly annoying consequences if I miss, is a super lousy feeling.
Like, okay, things change, cool... if this is the new default, rad, but please, please, please give me a way to either choose the previous behavor, or disable scroll wheel zooming entirely because that's never what I want on the monitor panels.
Actually, yes, I did. I even downloaded the latest 25.1 beta and went through every preference screen and hidden context menu I could find. Nada.
This thread has nothing to do with scroll bars in the program monitor. This is about functionality that changed in 24.4 where using the scroll wheel on the program or source monitor panels now zooms the video instead of scrubs the timeline. This is an idea thread asking Adobe to consider options to help mitigate a change that is very disruptive to how some people use their software.
Is that all effort developers can make? Bring back scroll bars back? Really? We are talking here about a whole begaviour about mouse scrolling on program monitor, not just "showing scroll bars". I understand that you didnt read all this thread and don't have an idea about what we are complaining about...
I have Premiere 22.1.2 which I use on a daily basis because this was one of the best, most stable versions. I also have 24.6.1 to open newer projects that I received from my colleagues. The fact that I could move the timeline by scrolling over the video in the program windows was a big part of my workflow for years. I have selection follows playhead turned on so I am scrolling till the next shot, double click, resize the shot, reposition the shot, scroll to the next shot. It's important for me to be able to do it on the video and not move my pointer down to a small area and then move it back.
Is really mind blowing for me that they replace a feature without the option to keep the old one. Like they did with the export panel.
I am 100% sure that the people who are developing Premiere do not work in and / or do not frequenly use Premiere.
Sometimes I get the feeling that they are looking for smart ways to troll us and to push us to quit using their software.
1) They've already added back the option for scroll bars in the Program monitor. There isn't an issue there anymore ...
2) You seem to assume that most users work like you do. Lose that useless concept. Every frickin' one of us works differently, a total fascination for me in aisle discussions at NAB, various forums.
While for you and me, the scroll bars were of major use, for a ton of users, clearly, the ability to zoom and 'hand pan' in the program monitor is an absolute joy
Yea, go figure, but out of the several million daily users, I think you and me were not in the larger group. LIke the change in the timeline colors ... which the majority of users LOVED ... and me, well, not so much. But ah well.
3) Your assumptions about the lack of use by the devs aren't worth any more than your other ones. Having talked with many over the last decade, they are all passionate editors in their own time. However, like all other users, they all do different stuff, and do everything they do differently.
Just learn the truism ... everyone's mileage always differs.
And chill a bit. Please do post your thoughts and preferences, but lose assumptions about motivations. Useless.
1) I've updated to 25.0 and when I have my mouse over the video in the program window, the mouse scroll is zooming in and out and not moving the playhead. So I really don't understand what they added back but it wasn't what I was talking about. Maybe there is an option that I need to check? Went over the preferences a bit but didn't found anything there.
2) I do not assume anything as I mentioned before, I am 100% sure. Things worked in a way and then they've changed it without a warning and without the option to revert. Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate the After Effects style zoom, which will help me a lot with masking but I would have preffered both options with a modifier.
Also, with all do respect, Neil, I really, really appreciate you, but please do not tell me what and what not to do. I am a paying Adobe customer for over 10 years, I've put a lot of money in to Adobe's account and if I want to complain about their product, I think I am entitled to.
3) Ok, understood.
As always, thank you very much for your time and your answer.
We are talking about revert this behaviour OPTIONALLY. Some users will use the new zoom behaviour, and some will use the old scrubbing behaviour. That's what we are talking about here. All that developers have to do is put the removed code under a simple button, modifier key, or preferences option that toggle behaviours.
I love the new feature. Use it all the time now to check shots especially during finishing/compiling online shots. Never used the mouse to scrub the timeline but I guess a lot of people do that. Devs, please don't completely remove this feature, maybe Shift+Scroll for one function, and normal Scroll for the other? 🙂
Everybody loves the new feature, no doubt about it. We just love the old feature also. Just because you got a new child it doesn't mean that you automatically remove and forget about the first one :)))
So yeah, normal scroll for the old behaviour and ALT or CTRL or SHIFT + scroll for the new behaviour would be great.
Looks like CNTRL does not modify scroll behavior - Being able to CNTRL scroll for zoom functionality while keeping the rest the same would be a great solution.
I believe you can enable scrolling on the timeline by adjusting your scrolling preference from vertical to horizontal. Preferences > Timeline > Timeline Mouse Scrolling > Horizontal.
I've been holding off updating to the newest version until there is way to scroll frame-by-frame on the program window. This feature is very useful for myself and judging by this thread others and it is a shame to see it being removed in the latest version/s. Please can the developers allow some sort of toggleable option between mouse scroll being used for zooming in/out and for frame-by-frame timeline scrubbing!
Its insanely annoying. Tbh ive kind of gotten used to it, but that still doesnt make the desicion to remove a perfectly useful and intutive feature for no reason any more justifiable.
I understand the utility to be able to zoom by using the program window, but I think for the vast majority of people its just not useful enough to justify its replacement of a much better scroll feature.
Ill just repeat the same thing that dozens of other people have already said in hopes that maybe adobe will listen. PLEASE, just make it a toggleable feature.
Do you feel you need such a big mouse target, (the whole monitor)? And by aiming slightly lower to the smaller target (the time rule) is quite difficult, or do we just need to slightly adapt?
@MyerPjThis change reduced the height of the scroll wheel scrub target to about 10% of what it previously was, and for me, yes, that does make it quite difficult to use, and the consequence of being just slightly off the much smaller target--zooming the monitor--is disruptive to the thing I'm trying to do in the program.
I'm mainly annoyed because I use the program window to change position / scale while moving frame by frame, now if I even accidently scroll on the program window it changes the zoom, and requires me to set the zoom back to "fit" / whatever zoom % I was at. Please devs the zoom is nice but make it so you have to use CTRL + SCROLL or something!
Yes, it does to that at the slightest incursion. Maybe a checkbox to turn off the zooming, there seems to be space. I'd like to have a button next to the Select Zoom Level, drop-down, or even a right-click of it, to select Fit, to get back to the normal setting.
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