Will I be able to do a one time purchase of Adobe Audition once the program defects have been corrected? I don't want to subscribe to the CC. John Johnson ... View more

The only people who won't be laughing are Adobe forum moderators (and of course, their bosses). ... View more

Not as funny as what I am going to have to say about Adobe Audition in my article. Defective, defective, defective. Now, that IS funny. ... View more

Could I get a courtesy copy of Adobe Audition CC 2017 when the bug is fixed? I will check it out to make sure everything is working, and post a message about it here. Thanks, John Johnson ... View more

ryclark says, "Audtion CS6  . .  is in no way defective". In messages above, CharlesVW said, "I think what you're looking for is to get a signal that is quantized to 16-bit or 24-bit PCM without dither.  I tried this out a few ways, and I think I came across what I would agree with is a bug." . . . "Upon saving, or even File > Save As... and checking that dither was disabled, I noticed that the resulting file still seemed to be dithered. I would consider this a bug when doing File > Save As... and explicitly checking that dither was disabled." . . ."When you submit the bug report to the programmers . .  That's me." . . . " "Thanks for reporting the issue John." I tried the 32 bit suggestion, and it still did not work properly, as I showed spectra in one of my messages above. So, Audition CS6 is defective. What the hell is going on with you guys? Do you all work on the same planet? Massive incompetence. ... View more

"And neither are any of us wrong.", I was right and you were wrong. Adobe Audition is defective. "Actually it was you that did the bad-mouthing" Well, what about this that you said, "That really is the end of the discussion - you're plain wrong." I was right and you were wrong. Adobe Audition is defective. End of discussion. ... View more

So be it. There are alternatives to Adobe Audition. I will use those and give them suggested improvements to make the competition more definitive. CC 2017 is also a disaster. The way you guys treated me at the beginning of this thread is reprehensible, calling me plain wrong and end of discussion. You turned out to be plain wrong and I was right. Audition is indeed defective. The way you treat your customers is in need of adjustment. ... View more

I think that Adobe should re-consider fixing the bug in previous versions such as Audition CS5 and CS6. Otherwise, it is like a car manufacturer saying that there is a defect in the 2016 model of Car X, but it is fixed in the 2017 model, and they are not going to fix the defect in the 2016 model. Users of CS5 and CS6 deserve to have important bugs, such as the one in this thread, fixed. Adobe will lose credibility if they only fix bugs in new versions and ignore previous versions. It is not that we expect to have new features added in previous versions, but to leave bugs in previous versions unfixed is irresponsible and could lead to liability situations. ... View more

I tried all of these things, but still have problems. Whatever bug you mentioned that is there just won't let me get the desired spectrum. When you submit the bug report to the programmers, please have them redesign the interface so that when you click on Save or Save As, a menu first comes up with the Convert Sample Type interface, and all options are available including sampling frequency, bit depth, dithering enabled or disabled, and noise shaping available. It should not be labeled as Convert Sample Type though. Just a menu to save it with the original sampling frequency and bit depth, with dither capable of being enabled or disabled, and noise shaping being able to be applied. Then click OK and the menu to select which directory to save it in. As it stands now, the saving process is convoluted. Please let me know when the bug has been eliminated. I assume I will get a pop up that says an update is available for Adobe Audition CS6. Thanks for your help, John ... View more

Well, I thought you had solved the problem by generating the 16/44.1 test tones in 32 bit floating and then converting them to 16 bit in the save as process. However, now the 100 Hz distortion peaks don't show up. Here is the 16/44.1 tone, generated as 32 bit 44.1 kHz, then saved as 16 bit 44.1 kHz and ticking the enable dither box, selecting triangular dither as I have done before. The spectrum looks fine. Now, here is the undithered spectrum. Notice that the distortion peaks are much lower than the peaks in my previous spectrum shown in my message a few messages above this one. They are now just a little larger than the noise in the dithered spectrum, generated at 32 bit floating, shown above. Here is a 1 kHz window of the undithered spectrum. The 100 Hz distortion peaks are no longer there. The noise seems to be higher approximately every 50 Hz, but they are not clearly peaks. What have I done wrong? I do not have any problem generating spectra when I convert one format to another, e.g., 24/96 to 16/44.1 and displaying the undithered spectrum. The example spectrum of 24/96 converted to 16/44.1, without generating the 24/96 in 32 bit floating, is shown below this one, and a 1 kHz to 2 kHz window below that one. The problem only occurs when I generate a tone, e.g., 16/44.1 and try to save it as 16/44.1 undithered. Here is a 1 kHz to 2 kHz window of the spectrum shown above. It has the correct 100 Hz peaks. I hope you can help me with this problem. Fortunately, it is only an issue when I try to save a file in the same format in which it was generated. I can still use all the files where I converted one format to another. Thanks for your help with this. We all got off on the wrong track at the beginning of the thread. I hope you can get the bug fixed. John Johnson ... View more

So, one has to generate the 16/44.1 tone as 32 bit floating, rather than 16 bit and then go to save as, and then change it to 16/ 44.1? I will try that shortly. However, there are no instructions anywhere that tell the user to generate 16 bit tones as 32 bit first. You have to admit this is definitely not an intuitive user interface. I assume that 24 bit tones also have to be generated as 32 bit floating to end up with undithered 24 bit tones? I am using undithered tones of 16 bits and 24 bits to use as a basis for comparing undithered and dithered bench test signals. I assume you used CS6 for your tests, since that is what I used. I know 24 bit signals don't necessarily require dithering, but I still need to show 24 bit undithered signals for comparison with dithered 24 bit signals, even if there is no difference. ... View more

Adobe Audition is defective. End of discussion. ... View more

Why would I waste time lying about this? I have much more important things to do than have an untruthful discussion with Adobe. I don't care about Adobe in the slightest since. I also don't respect Adobe, having had a nightmare dealing with the Adobe CC series, and then finally unsubscribing, and seeing a continuing list of posts from lots of other people in your forums saying that CC is horrible, confirming my own experiences. I resorted to all my old CS6 versions and have had no problems until now, with Adobe Audition. I ended up having to use Audacity to create an undithered 16/44.1 spectrum because Adobe Audition does not do this, regardless of your instructions. Here is the spectrum created by Adobe Audition. I assumed it was undithered and prepared the spectrum as part of my article on dithering and noise shaping. I have 150,000 readers and have to be careful what I publish. An expert in digital audio who read my article before publication - and I always send my manuscripts to other people for fact checking - told me that the spectrum was dithered, not undithered. I tried and tried with Adobe Audition to get a 16/44.1 wav file that was undithered, including following your instructions, but it always came out dithered. The spectrum says No Dithering, No Noise Shaping, but as I said, my digital expert said it is dithered, so I have had to relabel the spectrum before publication. It will be referred to as dithered. The article is not published yet. I am still gathering spectra. Now, here is the spectrum from an undithered 16/44.1 file created by Audacity. Pay attention and learn what an undithered 16/44.1 spectrum looks like. All the spectra are from digital files analyzed in the digital domain without going through a DAC, which would otherwise contaminate the spectra with noise in the minus 120 dB area that would hide the distortion produced by an undithered 16/44.1 wav file. This is why the distortion peaks are visible all the way down to minus 185 dB. Numerous 100 Hz peaks representing 1 kHz beating against 44.1 kHz sampling are present. Here is the same Audacity file, showing a 1 kHz to 2 kHz portion of the spectrum, so that you can see the 100 Hz peaks in more detail. So, there you are. Tell your engineers to do their job and make the software easier to use. Having to go into the Convert Sample Type menu or Change menu in the Save As menu to save a file dithered or undithered is evidence of incompetent user interface design. If you can get it to work properly, let me know. I don't relish having to publish my article using mostly Adobe Audition-generated files for illustrating how converting various dithered formats to undithered lower sampling formats creates distortion peaks, but having to use a few Audacity-generated files to show undithered 16/44.1, as I know I will get questions as to why I had to do that, and I will have to tell them that Audition is defective, but that is what I will have to do. So, believe me now and stop the nonsense of calling me a liar to deflect criticism of selling poor quality software. I will continue to use Audition for various purposes, but you need to fix this problem. ... View more

It does not work. I created a 16/44.1 test tone at minus 5 dB and 10 seconds in length. I then went to save as, then clicked on 44100 Hz Stereo, 16 bit, change, then clicked dithering disabled. Then I browsed to my file directory, and then clicked OK, saving the file. I played the file in my spectrum analyzer and the test tone displayed as dithered. So, I have a disaster on my hands. I spent two months writing an article on dithering and noise shaping, assuming that saved files were automatically non-dithered. Adobe Audition will not let me save a file in non-dithered format. I can create a non-dithered test tone in Audacity. It displays in my spectrum analyzer as non-dithered, with the beat peaks every 100 Hz, which are caused by the 1 kHz test tone beating against the 44.1 kHz sampling frequency. I now have to re-write the article using Audacity to create the test tones. Adobe Audition is crap. A catastrophic failure. Audition CS6 is like your CC 2017 series, another disaster. Adobe is junk. ... View more

Well, I cannot find any menu option anywhere, including creating the test tone track or saving the test tone track, that allows me to dither or not to dither. That's the problem. I can only select no dither or yes dither if I create the test tone track and then go to Edit > Convert Sample Type, setting dithering to disable, convert the sample type and then save it. That has been the damn problem. No menu for just saying I don't want the track to be dithered or I do want the track to be dithered when creating and saving the file. Dithering or not dithering is ONLY under the Edit > Convert Sample Type. There is NO menu option to dither or not dither when creating the test tone track or saving it. You will have to step me through the process of creating the test tone and selecting no dither or yes dither, without having to go to Convert the Sample Type before I save it. So far, there is no menu that I can find anywhere for dithering or not dithering except for converting the sample type. I have Audition CS6, not Audition CC. This is extremely frustrating. John ... View more