P: White Balance - As Shot added as a History step automatically when using Embedded Previews

[ShootingPixelsAndy]

Strange behaviour in the latest release of LR Classic 13.3 (Win). I've imported a shoot and used the embedded previews as I always do.

As I move through the filmstrip in develop every time I click on an image that still has the embedded preview icon showing LR is adding a new White Balance - As Shot to the history for the image. If I undo this step so the history is empty switch to another image and then back again LR doesn't add the WB setting again.

It seems it only happens to images using the embedded preview the first time they are opened in Develop.

It's very annoying as I can no longer use the unedited filter to see if there's any images in my final selection that haven't been edited.

[Giovanni38679554gs0j]

I have the same issue with the "White Balance - As Shot" thing added to the history (this annoys me cause it fools up the before and after feature). I rebuilt the previews from the library tab and this fixed the problem, the "White Balance - As Shot" disappeared from the history in the Develop module...

[Moneeb30461293hccf]

Absolutely incredible that this continued mistake in the development of Lightroom for over several years now has not only Adobe Employee eyes on, but moderator and 6 pages of replies to it... and it still isn't fixed. This is genuinely baffling for a corporation that gains revenue hand over fist and can't maintain it's applications in a meaningful and efficient way.

Dissapointing.
For reference I also have had this issue since 2022. If my camera white balance is set to a specific K value (which it has been for 2 years now) it will import and apply a history step as "WB - As Shot" and renders my organizational workflow useless. Great work Adobe.

[GoldingD]

Absolutely incredible that this continued mistake in the development of Lightroom for over several years now has not only Adobe Employee eyes on, but moderator and 6 pages of replies to it... and it still isn't fixed. This is genuinely baffling for a corporation that gains revenue hand over fist and can't maintain it's applications in a meaningful and efficient way.

Dissapointing.
For reference I also have had this issue since 2022. If my camera white balance is set to a specific K value (which it has been for 2 years now) it will import and apply a history step as "WB - As Shot" and renders my organizational workflow useless. Great work Adobe

By @ShootingPixelsAndy

You state:

"Absolutely incredible that this continued mistake in the development of Lightroom for over several years now "

Well no, this bug is since May 2024, one version older then the current LrC v13.4. Unfortunately it was not fixed at the time. So this has not been a problem for "several years"

You also state, perhaps to support the previous:

"For reference I also have had this issue since 2022."

I see that you are a new member, so you would not have reported that in 2022. Do you have any references to support that. To the best of my knowledge this just showed up last May, and only for users applying embedded profiles.

Are you perhaps conflating a problem or workflow argument)  where LrC apply's As Shot for WB as seen in the Develop Panel edit panels, that does not match the in camera WB setting, with the issue in this bug, where LrC places a History Step of As Shot as the first History state? It used to be, before this bug, that the As Shot for WB did not show up in the History panel. Despite that in fact being applied. And that is a problem if you want to filter on images you have not edited.

[JSkolnick]

so you criticize the guy but offer no solution? 

[GoldingD]

Solution as normal is we wait a few months for Adobe to fix. This one has only shown up around May. Adobe took a bit of time to agree hat it was a bug, and as such it did not get fixed in the last update. Had Adobe immediately agreed it was a bug, we may have seen it fixed at v13.4. It will probably get fixed, in the next update. Often the problem with a bug is to convince Adobe that it is a bug, not a as designed feature. The members managed to get Adobe to state it is a bug, so, it should get fixed. Cross fingers that it gets fixed at next update. When? We common users have no idea, and Adobe does not share that.

This is LrC 101, common process, nothing new. Adobe fouls up, the community members complain by placing a Bug Post, Adobe might come back with not a bug and relocates to discussion. Additional members provide replies showing it is a bug, enough evidence then forces Adobe to state Ok a bug, Adobe log's the Bug, eventually it gets fixed.The post gets relocated again back into Bugs, Adobe may or may not reply as such. Adobe does not state the estimate time to repair. SOP

Oh, and workaround is to either rebuild the library previews, or not use embedded profiles, or to roll back LrC.(v13.2??)

[Ricky336]

@Moneeb30461293hccf 

"For reference I also have had this issue since 2022. If my camera white balance is set to a specific K value (which it has been for 2 years now) it will import and apply a history step as "WB - As Shot" and renders my organizational workflow useless. Great work Adobe."

Do you use JPG or raw? If you use raw/DNG - then the white balance you set in the camera is irrelevant.

[szymonl51419950]

Hi All,
I have a small issue with LrC develop module.
Once I have all the photos imported and I go through them one by one LrC would mark some photos as 'EDITED' ( small +/- icon in the right bottom corner of the photo) 
It does it randomly and I only go into the photo to look at it without changing anything.
Also what's weird is that it happens to some photos not all of them (totally random).
The problem that I have is when I want LrC to show me only edited photos it shows me the ones that I have edited along with all marked by LrC as edited randomly.
I wonder if that's a program glitch or if there is a setting that I don't know about.
Thank you in advance for all the help.

[Mohit Goyal]

@szymonl51419950 Hi there,

We're sorry for the trouble. Are you experiencing this issue with all the catalogs? Do you have multiple catalogs in Lightroom Classic? If you only have one catalog, then it should be an issue with the app preferences. You may try to reset Lightroom Classic preferences back to defaults and see if that helps. Here's how you reset the preferences: https://adobe.ly/3Af602P Let us know if that helps. 

Thanks,

Mohit

[GoldingD]

For those files that are marked as edited (but you had not done so) In the History Panel, is the second (above imported) History state White Balance As shot?

And are you using (on at least the images failing) embedded previews?

[szymonl51419950]

Hi GoldingD,

Yes, there is a White Balance As Ahot in the history of those.

Unfortunately, I don't know how to check the embedded previews 😕 

[GoldingD]

Ok, your problem is probably the one in the following Bug Report. Do not be surprised if your post gets merged into it by a Moderator:

• https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/p-white-balance-as-shot-added-as-a-history-ste...

No idea when Adobe will fix this. Hopefully at next update. No idea when the next update or upgrade will occur. The above link has at least one workaround in it (one members reply) 

I could be wrong about that Bug Report occurring with LrC v13.3 and Embedded Profiles, But to see if you chose to use embedded profiles see the following link.

• https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/help/photo-video-import-options.html

and note that thumbnails (previews) wit.h Embedded Profiles will have a badge, in upper left corner, looking like the one below (left one)

The image above from the link above it, so if it is hard to see, then you can find it in the link.

[Platographer]

The "photo has develop adjustments" icon is appearing on some of my photos that I have not applied any adjustments to. In history, it just has two steps: "import" and "white balance as shot." All of my unadjusted photos without the icon have the same two steps in history. How can I stop Lightroom from adding the icon to unadjusted photos? Also, how can I reset multiple images at once so that they no longer erroneously show the icon?

[GoldingD]

see this existing bug report, and do not be surprised if your post gets merged into it:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/p-white-balance-as-shot-added-as-a-history-step-automatically-when-using-embedded-previews/idi-p/14635607 

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

Greetings all, 

Updates for the Adobe Photography Products are released.  The August 2024 updates contain an update for this issue. 

If you do not see the update in your Creative Cloud Application, you can refresh it by hitting [Ctrl/Cmd]+[Alt/Opt]+[ R ].

Note: It may take up to 24 hours for your update to be available in your Creative Cloud app.

Thank you for being so patient.

[GoldingD]

Greetings all, 

Updates for the Adobe Photography Products are released.  The August 2024 updates contain an update for this issue.

By Rikk Flohr

Let me see if I can comment, previous attempt failed (or I placed in wrong post)

Looking at the list of issues fixed in v13.5, I do not see this one included. Perhaps a member that has the issue will reply to confirm the issue is resolved.

from:

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/kb/fixed-issues.html

[ShootingPixelsAndy]

I did a quick test and it seems to be fixed but I wouldn't say I've tested enough to be certain yet. I also couldn't see any reference to the fix in the release notes. I thought Adobe's policy was to include information about bug fixes reported by users?

[John R Ellis]

@ShootingPixelsAndy: "I thought Adobe's policy was to include information about bug fixes reported by users?"

That is the policy, but there are infrequent omissions.

[John R Ellis]

The bug recipe posted above now behaves correctly in LR 13.5:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/p-white-balance-as-shot-added-as-a-history-ste...

[??_?4935]

This issue is not been fixed.

It still happened on 13.5

The white balance is shfting automatically while importing the image.

08/23/2024

[ShootingPixelsAndy]

Is the White Balance: As Shot step being added to the history or are you just seeing the white balance update on screen?

[JohanElzenga]

The bug is that added step in history, not the shift in the white balance. If you import using embedded previews, then Lightroom initially shows the preview that was generated by the camera. When you switch to the develop module, Lightroom will show you its own preview which will always be a bit different.

[cmeiling]

I've investigated the reason. 

Probably one reason is, the photo actually didn't change WB by itself. It's just because the Look is different between Library and Develop mode.

If you switch back to Library and the color turns into original, that's what I mean.  (Not sure why Adobe design the stuff like this).

To avoid this, we need to use only JPEG workflow.

That means we need to go to

1. Preferences >> General >> Treat JPEG files next to raw files as separate photo .

2. ReStart Lighroom

And then 3.Reimport all the images (only JPEG files) that you want to edit.

Hope this can help.

[GoldingD]

deleted, my bad

[ShootingPixelsAndy]

@cmeiling it was a confirmed bug fixed in a previous release. Unfortunately the fix introduced another bug which is currently being investigated by the engineers.

[cmeiling]

Oh really? Since I have the same issue with my photo collection, I have to use the current solution before the bug get fixed.

Btw thank you for your information.🫶🏻